Abortion Denied

[The Shia Califate]

Sex is for having children.

Says who?

If not, what then?

[Sun Wukong]

They're not mature enough to take the responsible choice, yet they're mature enough to endure the repercussions of the irresponsible one.



I think they were just having sex.

Sex is for having children.

If that were true, then humans would go into Estrous like most mammals. Instead, humans have concealed ovulation and massive amounts of non-reproductive sex.

Sex in humans exists primarily to reinforce social bonds with sexual partners, it's reproductive role is not-unrelated, but not primary.

Human biology decrees you wrong.

[Ponyfornia]

Says who?

If not, what then?

For pleasure, and a hell of a lot of other things.

[Greed and Death]

If we are going to treat a abortion like other non emergency medicine then parental consent is not so strange.

[Kylistan]

So would you like to explain what the requirements are for human life and cite your source because I'm pretty sure that scientists have not and probably will never officially define human life. You can't just make things up...

"Consciousness requires a sophisticated network of highly interconnected components, nerve cells. Its physical substrate, the thalamo-cortical complex that provides consciousness with its highly elaborate content, begins to be in place between the 24th and 28th week of gestation. Roughly two months later synchrony of the electroencephalographic (EEG) rhythm across both cortical hemispheres signals the onset of global neuronal integration. Thus, many of the circuit elements necessary for consciousness are in place by the third trimester."

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... ness-arise

Who says that consciousness and life are synonyms. One can get knocked unconscious and still be alive...

[Oneracon]

Says who?

If not, what then?

For experiencing a feeling of closeness with a partner, for the rush of endorphins...

There are plenty of reasons other than popping out babies.

[The Shia Califate]

If we are going to treat a abortion like other non emergency medicine then parental consent is not so strange.

It becomes more of a cosmetic thing.

[Sun Wukong]

Odd that you would say that when that is exactly what she has been attempting to do.

You can't just treat an abortion like a scrape you got while jogging. It becomes a societal problem when "#aborsh" starts to become common.

Except it doesn't.

Where is this societal problem?

[Mkuki]

Says who?

If not, what then?

Pleasure and enjoyment?

[Riiser-Larsen]

Odd that you would say that when that is exactly what she has been attempting to do.

You can't just treat an abortion like a scrape you got while jogging. It becomes a societal problem when "#aborsh" starts to become common.

So you're saying that "The proper treatment for a problem is to suck it up and deal with it?". I foresee your death, and it's going to be because you said "Oh, I brought on this heart attack by eating unhealthily, so I should attempt to deal with it on my own instead of seeking medical help."

[Ponyfornia]

If not, what then?

Pleasure and enjoyment?

"No, thou shalt only commit fornication for reprudction purposes in the Missionary position."

[The Shia Califate]

You can't just treat an abortion like a scrape you got while jogging. It becomes a societal problem when "#aborsh" starts to become common.

So you're saying that "The proper treatment for a problem is to suck it up and deal with it?". I foresee your death, and it's going to be because you said "Oh, I brought on this heart attack by eating unhealthily, so I should attempt to deal with it on my own instead of seeking medical help."

A pregnancy isn't a "problem". The real problem is the fact that the kid was too stupid to either use contraception or not have sex. If you're too young to get contraception, you're too young to have sex.

[Riiser-Larsen]

Says who?

If not, what then?

The fact that you cannot even understand that people would have sex for pleasure is actually highly disturbing to me.

[Sun Wukong]

You can't just treat an abortion like a scrape you got while jogging. It becomes a societal problem when "#aborsh" starts to become common.

So you're saying that "The proper treatment for a problem is to suck it up and deal with it?". I foresee your death, and it's going to be because you said "Oh, I brought on this heart attack by eating unhealthily, so I should attempt to deal with it on my own instead of seeking medical help."

It would make oncology simpler:
"You knew the dangers of working in that factory, chemotherapy is for responsible people only."

[Sun Wukong]

Pleasure and enjoyment?

"No, thou shalt only commit fornication for reprudction practices in the Missionary position."

How did you know my fetish!?

[Riiser-Larsen]

So you're saying that "The proper treatment for a problem is to suck it up and deal with it?". I foresee your death, and it's going to be because you said "Oh, I brought on this heart attack by eating unhealthily, so I should attempt to deal with it on my own instead of seeking medical help."

A pregnancy isn't a "problem". The real problem is the fact that the kid was too stupid to either use contraception or not have sex. If you're too young to get contraception, you're too young to have sex.

Contraception is not some cure-all that automatically prevents pregnancies. It's not like Birth Control sterilizes men while they're having sex, it prevents the egg from entering the uterus. This usually works, but sometimes it fails. And yes, it is a problem. Having to introduce another life into the world while being financially and emotionally unable to take care of that life is a big, BIG problem.

[The Shia Califate]

A pregnancy isn't a "problem". The real problem is the fact that the kid was too stupid to either use contraception or not have sex. If you're too young to get contraception, you're too young to have sex.

Contraception is not some cure-all that automatically prevents pregnancies. It's not like Birth Control sterilizes men while they're having sex, it prevents the egg from entering the uterus. This usually works, but sometimes it fails. And yes, it is a problem. Having to introduce another life into the world while being financially and emotionally unable to take care of that life is a big, BIG problem.

Which is why, as I said, if you aren't ready financially for sex, you shouldn't have it. Sex isn't an essential part of life.

[Oneracon]

Discussions like this make me really glad I live in Canada and not some other places.

[Riiser-Larsen]

Contraception is not some cure-all that automatically prevents pregnancies. It's not like Birth Control sterilizes men while they're having sex, it prevents the egg from entering the uterus. This usually works, but sometimes it fails. And yes, it is a problem. Having to introduce another life into the world while being financially and emotionally unable to take care of that life is a big, BIG problem.

Which is why, as I said, if you aren't ready financially for sex, you shouldn't have it. Sex isn't an essential part of life.

Yes, I wholeheartedly agree with you. You shouldn't have sex if you aren't ready for it. The problem is that people have sex anyway, and we can't just ignore that. Sure, we could ban sex before a certain age, but that would be the singularly most Authoritarian action the United States would have ever done.

Alternatively, we provide a painless, simple, relatively cheap, and harmless method for preventing life from starting. That's all abortion is. It's not that insane doctor who cut baby's spines, it's injecting a tiny amount of chemicals into the uterus that stop nutrient flow to the fetus.

[Austrian East Indies]

Arrest rates for male former foster children generally fall between 25 and 35 percent, but have been reported to be
over 40 percent.

I still consider about 40% to be acceptable rate. Adoption in less formal settings have happened in days from yore. Preferable than legalizing abortion and the social implication it has on the society; that the state is protecting irresponsibility.

Also in regards to bone breaking analogy by Pandeeria; You don't break your bones on purpose. But you do have sex on purpose.

I am not very religious nor am I pro-life. But I consider that people often forget or try to separate sex and procreation. This is good and all and as I said there is a procedure for that (vasectomy or tubal ligation) but if you are opting for other risky stuff, you would have to bear responsibility.

They're not mature enough to take the responsible choice, yet they're mature enough to endure the repercussions of the irresponsible one.

Part of growing up; commit mistakes, receive consequences. I am all for sexual education and safe sex, but hey - these things bear RISKS that you should accept in some calculated planning.

My son was conceived and I did not plan them. I bear the responsibility - and I think this is a very important societal mechanism/values to impart

[Riiser-Larsen]

Discussions like this make me really glad I live in Canada and not some other places.

Discussions like this make me really depressed that I live in America instead of some other places.

[Riiser-Larsen]

I still consider about 40% to be acceptable rate. Adoption in less formal settings have happened in days from yore. Preferable than legalizing abortion and the social implication it has on the society; that the state is protecting irresponsibility.

Also in regards to bone breaking analogy by Pandeeria; You don't break your bones on purpose. But you do have sex on purpose.

I am not very religious nor am I pro-life. But I consider that people often forget or try to separate sex and procreation. This is good and all and as I said there is a procedure for that (vasectomy or tubal ligation) but if you are opting for other risky stuff, you would have to bear responsibility.

They're not mature enough to take the responsible choice, yet they're mature enough to endure the repercussions of the irresponsible one.

Part of growing up; commit mistakes, receive consequences. I am all for sexual education and safe sex, but hey - these things bear RISKS that you should accept in some calculated planning.

My son was conceived and I did not plan them. I bear the responsibility - and I think this is a very important societal mechanism/values to impart

Why is it that there is this disconnect between pleasure and sex among all pro-lifers? I see this in every debate on here, it's like you cannot accept that some people want to have sex because it's pleasurable. Is that concept really that alien to you?

[The Shia Califate]

I still consider about 40% to be acceptable rate. Adoption in less formal settings have happened in days from yore. Preferable than legalizing abortion and the social implication it has on the society; that the state is protecting irresponsibility.

Also in regards to bone breaking analogy by Pandeeria; You don't break your bones on purpose. But you do have sex on purpose.

I am not very religious nor am I pro-life. But I consider that people often forget or try to separate sex and procreation. This is good and all and as I said there is a procedure for that (vasectomy or tubal ligation) but if you are opting for other risky stuff, you would have to bear responsibility.



Part of growing up; commit mistakes, receive consequences. I am all for sexual education and safe sex, but hey - these things bear RISKS that you should accept in some calculated planning.

My son was conceived and I did not plan them. I bear the responsibility - and I think this is a very important societal mechanism/values to impart

Why is it that there is this disconnect between pleasure and sex among all pro-lifers? I see this in every debate on here, it's like you cannot accept that some people want to have sex because it's pleasurable. Is that concept really that alien to you?

It may be fun, but it's not essential. It's like jumping off a bridge.

[Ponyfornia]

Part of growing up; commit mistakes, receive consequences. I am all for sexual education and safe sex, but hey - these things bear RISKS that you should accept in some calculated planning.

My son was conceived and I did not plan them. I bear the responsibility - and I think this is a very important societal mechanism/values to impart

Good for you! But you should notice that not everyone's like you.

Would you really want that kid to have a miserable life and to be taken care of by an unloving mother, that made mistake, I agree, but a mistake that had a fairly easy solution, and that if made, could have spared a lot of money and suffering in the long term, just so the parent would have "learned the lesson"?

[Dakini]

Says who?

If not, what then?

Orgasms. Fun. Pair bonding. Stress relief. Elimination of boredom.