Abortion Denied

[Kylistan]

Well I think that in the end we are just going to have to agree to disagree because I will never be able to look past the fact that abortion is immoral. You can sugar coat it however you want and talk about how all babies that get aborted would have been failures in life anyways (which I don't believe is true), but the bottom line is that when a baby is aborted a life is lost, and I will never be able to accept abortion as a viable option unless the mother's life is in danger or she had been raped.

I said nothing of the sort. I do not appreciate words being put in my mouth, thank you.

I was referring to the collective group of pro-choicers when making this comment. Not you specifically...

[Geilinor]

all those children being put into the adoption/foster-care system who may never find a loving home

Why is the general assumption for foster home/care or adoption parents is that they are an unloving family?

Because that's how it turns out for so many. http://www.liftingtheveil.org/foster04.htm
https://docs.google.com/viewer?docex=1&url=http://www.irp.wisc.edu/publications/focus/pdfs/foc142g.pdf

Arrest rates for male former foster children generally fall between 25 and 35 percent, but have been reported to be
over 40 percent.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?docex=1&url=http://www.cwla.org/programs/fostercare/childmiss06.pdf
http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2006/1206/world/half-of-children-in-foster-care-unhappy-with-reviews-20080.html
115,000 children are waiting to be adopted in the US. http://blog.childtrends.org/2011/05/31/waiting-to-be-adopted/

[Pandeeria]

Teens should be able to have access to protection to avoid these types of things.

Sure, I agree to that. But I would also point out that if said teens have already taken necessary protections but still joined up the 10% rate of pregnancy happening out of safe sex (condom is only 90% effective, not 100%) - they'll have to bear responsibility for caring the child. It's a fair deal.

Not really. If the consequences can be easily removed and fixed, then they should be fixed. If I broke my leg while playing a sport, should I have to just "face the consequences"?

[Oneracon]

I said nothing of the sort. I do not appreciate words being put in my mouth, thank you.

I was referring to the collective group of pro-choicers when making this comment. Not you specifically...

Still better than siding with terrorists

[Austrian East Indies]

I think not having an abortion in this case would be irresponsible.

You're just trying to turn the table without valid arguments. Consider this for a second; 1. the sex was not forced nor sanctioned by anyone else but the teen couple. 2. she's trying to put a reason she is not mature enough to avoid bearing the child, which was not the case. and 3. there is an option to give up the children for adoption later on.

[Kylistan]

Sure, I agree to that. But I would also point out that if said teens have already taken necessary protections but still joined up the 10% rate of pregnancy happening out of safe sex (condom is only 90% effective, not 100%) - they'll have to bear responsibility for caring the child. It's a fair deal.

Not really. If the consequences can be easily removed and fixed, then they should be fixed. If I broke my leg while playing a sport, should I have to just "face the consequences"?

So you consider taking away a human life an easy fix?

[Flagsia]

Let me phrase it like this for you... Would you be willing to perform an abortion and be an abortion doctor? I know that I wouldn't be able to sleep at night. I would be thinking about all of the lives that I ended at work that day, and what those fetuses could have became if their lives had not been ended way too early...

Would I be willing to become an abortion doctor? Sure.

On the other hand, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I was one of those "pro-life" people... Knowing all the people that have been forced deeper into poverty trying to pay for a child they can't support and didn't want, all those children being put into the adoption/foster-care system who may never find a loving home and end up as wards of the state until they are unceremoniously kicked out from government support into a life on the streets at the age of 18, all those people that had been murdered and harassed in the name of my "cause".

All I read from this is you can't live because we don't have money.

[Sun Wukong]

I think not having an abortion in this case would be irresponsible.

You're just trying to turn the table without valid arguments. Consider this for a second; 1. the sex was not forced nor sanctioned by anyone else but the teen couple. 2. she's trying to put a reason she is not mature enough to avoid bearing the child, which was not the case. and 3. there is an option to give up the children for adoption later on.

How does it make sense that you can be mature enough to have a child and be considered responsible, but not mature enough to responsibly decide not to have a child?

[Kylistan]

I was referring to the collective group of pro-choicers when making this comment. Not you specifically...

Still better than siding with terrorists

LOL... I think I have to give you that one...

[Riiser-Larsen]

Not really. If the consequences can be easily removed and fixed, then they should be fixed. If I broke my leg while playing a sport, should I have to just "face the consequences"?

So you consider taking away a human life an easy fix?

It's not "taking away a human life". It's preventing a group of cells from expanding. I don't think most pro-choice people realize how late in the pregnancies the fetus actually meets any of the requirements for being actual human life.

[Oneracon]

Would I be willing to become an abortion doctor? Sure.

On the other hand, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I was one of those "pro-life" people... Knowing all the people that have been forced deeper into poverty trying to pay for a child they can't support and didn't want, all those children being put into the adoption/foster-care system who may never find a loving home and end up as wards of the state until they are unceremoniously kicked out from government support into a life on the streets at the age of 18, all those people that had been murdered and harassed in the name of my "cause".

All I read from this is you can't live because we don't have money.

So you want a child to be raised in poverty? In deprivation? In a household where the parent(s) has to work all the time just to feed the child?

[Pandeeria]

Not really. If the consequences can be easily removed and fixed, then they should be fixed. If I broke my leg while playing a sport, should I have to just "face the consequences"?

So you consider taking away a human life an easy fix?

Since it's just a small mass of non-self aware cells and that the women is acting in her right to bodily sovereignty when saving both her and the child a lot of psychological and possibly physical harm, I guess.

[Sun Wukong]

Not really. If the consequences can be easily removed and fixed, then they should be fixed. If I broke my leg while playing a sport, should I have to just "face the consequences"?

So you consider taking away a human life an easy fix?

Astonishingly easy.

*scratches arm*

Thousands of potential people dead right there. Feel free to call The Hague if you've got a problem with that.

[The Shia Califate]

All I read from this is you can't live because we don't have money.

So you want a child to be raised in poverty? In deprivation? In a household where the parent(s) has to work all the time just to feed the child?

They shouldn't have tried to have a child if they didn't want it.

[Vault 1]

This is why putting too much emphasis on choice entering into the equation is such a bad idea.

Just assess the baby (and yes, mothers call them "baby") in terms of overall value and viability. If it has high genetic score, based on ancestry, it has to be carried to term; if refused by the mother, adopt it in a military program. If it has low genetic score, it has to be aborted, or will be denied citizenship and deported to a volunteering recipient like Somalia if not aborted.

For ones in between I guess we can leave it at woman's choice.

[Sun Wukong]

So you want a child to be raised in poverty? In deprivation? In a household where the parent(s) has to work all the time just to feed the child?

They shouldn't have tried to have a child if they didn't want it.

I'm almost certain that's not what they were trying to do.

And I'm prone to underestimate.

[Riiser-Larsen]

So you want a child to be raised in poverty? In deprivation? In a household where the parent(s) has to work all the time just to feed the child?

They shouldn't have tried to have a child if they didn't want it.

They usually don't! The body doesn't just choose whether it wants to be pregnant or not, accidents happen. This girl wouldn't have asked for an abortion if she had had sex intending to have a child.

[The Shia Califate]

They shouldn't have tried to have a child if they didn't want it.

They usually don't! The body doesn't just choose whether it wants to be pregnant or not, accidents happen. This girl wouldn't have asked for an abortion if she had had sex intending to have a child.

"Accidents happen"? They should know the risks affiliated with having sex and know they have to deal with them.

[Kylistan]

So you consider taking away a human life an easy fix?

It's not "taking away a human life". It's preventing a group of cells from expanding. I don't think most pro-choice people realize how late in the pregnancies the fetus actually meets any of the requirements for being actual human life.

So would you like to explain what the requirements are for human life and cite your source because I'm pretty sure that scientists have not and probably will never officially define human life. You can't just make things up...

[Ponyfornia]

You're just trying to turn the table without valid arguments. Consider this for a second; 1. the sex was not forced nor sanctioned by anyone else but the teen couple. 2. she's trying to put a reason she is not mature enough to avoid bearing the child, which was not the case. and 3. there is an option to give up the children for adoption later on.

They're not mature enough to take the responsible choice, yet they're mature enough to endure the repercussions of the irresponsible one.

They shouldn't have tried to have a child if they didn't want it.

I think they were just having sex.

[The Shia Califate]

You're just trying to turn the table without valid arguments. Consider this for a second; 1. the sex was not forced nor sanctioned by anyone else but the teen couple. 2. she's trying to put a reason she is not mature enough to avoid bearing the child, which was not the case. and 3. there is an option to give up the children for adoption later on.

They're not mature enough to take the responsible choice, yet they're mature enough to endure the repercussions of the irresponsible one.

They shouldn't have tried to have a child if they didn't want it.

I think they were just having sex.

Sex is for having children.

[Sun Wukong]

They usually don't! The body doesn't just choose whether it wants to be pregnant or not, accidents happen. This girl wouldn't have asked for an abortion if she had had sex intending to have a child.

"Accidents happen"? They should know the risks affiliated with having sex and know they have to deal with them.

Odd that you would say that when that is exactly what she has been attempting to do.

[Oneracon]

It's not "taking away a human life". It's preventing a group of cells from expanding. I don't think most pro-choice people realize how late in the pregnancies the fetus actually meets any of the requirements for being actual human life.

So would you like to explain what the requirements are for human life and cite your source because I'm pretty sure that scientists have not and probably will never officially define human life. You can't just make things up...

"Consciousness requires a sophisticated network of highly interconnected components, nerve cells. Its physical substrate, the thalamo-cortical complex that provides consciousness with its highly elaborate content, begins to be in place between the 24th and 28th week of gestation. Roughly two months later synchrony of the electroencephalographic (EEG) rhythm across both cortical hemispheres signals the onset of global neuronal integration. Thus, many of the circuit elements necessary for consciousness are in place by the third trimester."

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... ness-arise

[Ponyfornia]

Sex is for having children.

Says who?

[The Shia Califate]

"Accidents happen"? They should know the risks affiliated with having sex and know they have to deal with them.

Odd that you would say that when that is exactly what she has been attempting to do.

You can't just treat an abortion like a scrape you got while jogging. It becomes a societal problem when "#aborsh" starts to become common.