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Did the Nebraska Supreme Court make the right decision here or not?

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Postby Gigaverse » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:00 pm

I am not a big fan of abortion, but if her pregnancy was against her will, I'll be standing to this girl's side.
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Postby The Shia Califate » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:00 pm

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I agree that everyone makes mistakes, but it is unethical to correct your mistakes through ending the life of another. Every decision has consequences and she should have to deal with the consequences of her mistake without murdering a baby.


Great, because there is no murdering of babies involved in a termination of a pregnancy.

Unless you're Kermit Gosnell
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Postby Austrian East Indies » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:00 pm

The gist of things here is that people who had premature or premarital sex FORGOT that sex has a procreation purpose. Therefore said pregnancy risks has ALWAYS existed. People should accept this fact before they go sleeping around - and THIS is part of being mature; taking calculated risks and the responsibility that comes with it - not escaping it by putting "muh life quality muh maturity" reasonings.

Of course if you don't accept this there's a permanent vasectomy or tubal ligation.

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Postby Vamtrl » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:01 pm

The Shia Califate wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Everyone makes mistakes. Maybe if those right-wing zealots we're calling "parents" allowed the practice of safe sex?

or she could not have had sex. Why is that so difficult?


Why is it so difficult for you to wrap your head around the fact that teenagers have sex?

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Postby Nordengrund » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:01 pm

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Postby Baader-Meinhof Gruppe » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:01 pm

She cannot afford the child, therefore she should be forced to have an abortion, not forced to keep the child. If you can't afford the child you get an abortion, should be law by now. Forcing a child to live in poverty is child abuse

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The Shia Califate
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Postby The Shia Califate » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:01 pm

Gigaverse wrote:I am not a big fan of abortion, but if her pregnancy was against her will, I'll be standing to this girl's side.

Was it not against her will?
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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:02 pm

Austrian East Indies wrote:The gist of things here is that people who had premature or premarital sex FORGOT that sex has a procreation purpose. Therefore said pregnancy risks has ALWAYS existed. People should accept this fact before they go sleeping around - and THIS is part of being mature; taking calculated risks and the responsibility that comes with it - not escaping it by putting "muh life quality muh maturity" reasonings.

Of course if you don't accept this there's a permanent vasectomy or tubal ligation.


People should be able to have sex without having to worry about having a child.
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In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Kylistan » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:02 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Kylistan wrote:
Believe what you would like but you know as well as I do that those cells are the foundation of human life and when you destroy them you are "taking away a life". And guess what... it isn't a coincidence that murder is "taking away a life".


Murder is unlawful killing. Abortion isn't unlawful depending on where you are located.

Also sperm and eggs are the foundation of life. Should we ban masturbation?


Yes but abortion should be an unlawful killing as it is in many countries around the world. Also a sperm and egg combined are human life. Separate they mean little, so we should not ban masturbation.
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Postby The Shia Califate » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:02 pm

Baader-Meinhof Gruppe wrote:She cannot afford the child, therefore she should be forced to have an abortion, not forced to keep the child. If you can't afford the child you get an abortion, should be law by now. Forcing a child to live in poverty is child abuse

"forced" to have an abortion? What happened to being pro-choice?
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Don't worry. I'm equally (lesbians also) against same-sex marriage.

I apologize for my strange sense of grammar; I type like Charles Dickens fell down the stairs and suffered a traumatic injury

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The Shia Califate
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Postby The Shia Califate » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:03 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Austrian East Indies wrote:The gist of things here is that people who had premature or premarital sex FORGOT that sex has a procreation purpose. Therefore said pregnancy risks has ALWAYS existed. People should accept this fact before they go sleeping around - and THIS is part of being mature; taking calculated risks and the responsibility that comes with it - not escaping it by putting "muh life quality muh maturity" reasonings.

Of course if you don't accept this there's a permanent vasectomy or tubal ligation.


People should be able to have sex without having to worry about having a child.

Not if they're 16.
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Fascist Russian Empire wrote:Hell, in most Islamic countries, male homosexuality is punishable by death, while female homosexuality is legal.


Don't worry. I'm equally (lesbians also) against same-sex marriage.

I apologize for my strange sense of grammar; I type like Charles Dickens fell down the stairs and suffered a traumatic injury

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Postby Austrian East Indies » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:03 pm

The Shia Califate wrote:
Gigaverse wrote:I am not a big fan of abortion, but if her pregnancy was against her will, I'll be standing to this girl's side.

Was it not against her will?


Most possibly it was her own (and partner's) decision. If she had no choice in the matter in the first place (eg; rape) she might have put this reasoning forward to get jury sympathy.

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Postby Oneracon » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:03 pm

The Shia Califate wrote:
Oneracon wrote:
Great, because there is no murdering of babies involved in a termination of a pregnancy.

Unless you're Kermit Gosnell


"The murder charges related to a patient who died while under his care and seven newborns said to have been killed after being born alive during attempted abortions"

Please see underlined section.
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Postby Vamtrl » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:03 pm

Baader-Meinhof Gruppe wrote:She cannot afford the child, therefore she should be forced to have an abortion, not forced to keep the child. If you can't afford the child you get an abortion, should be law by now. Forcing a child to live in poverty is child abuse


What if she wanted to keep the child? Should the government forcefully abort the baby because she has no means of supporting it?
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Postby Gigaverse » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:03 pm

The Shia Califate wrote:
Gigaverse wrote:I am not a big fan of abortion, but if her pregnancy was against her will, I'll be standing to this girl's side.

Was it not against her will?

From what I've read, I'd say them sources gave me nooo clues.
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Postby Mkuki » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:04 pm

Definitely a bad decision.
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Postby The first Carthage » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:04 pm

There is also cost to worry about, would the state or federal government get the bill? Or would she have to pay for the operation. If she has to pay than even if she gets permission to have an abortion it would more than likely be to expensive for a sixteen year old unemployed kid.
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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:04 pm

Kylistan wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
Murder is unlawful killing. Abortion isn't unlawful depending on where you are located.

Also sperm and eggs are the foundation of life. Should we ban masturbation?


Yes but abortion should be an unlawful killing as it is in many countries around the world. Also a sperm and egg combined are human life. Separate they mean little, so we should not ban masturbation.


Funny how their unlawful in theocratic hell holes, while legal in shining progressive developed nations.

And the sperm and the egg are the foundations. You need the supplies before building something, right?
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Baader-Meinhof Gruppe » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:04 pm

Vamtrl wrote:
Baader-Meinhof Gruppe wrote:She cannot afford the child, therefore she should be forced to have an abortion, not forced to keep the child. If you can't afford the child you get an abortion, should be law by now. Forcing a child to live in poverty is child abuse


What if she wanted to keep the child? Should the government forcefully abort the baby because she has no means of supporting it?


Only if she's religious, in that case yes.

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Postby The Shia Califate » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:06 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Kylistan wrote:
Yes but abortion should be an unlawful killing as it is in many countries around the world. Also a sperm and egg combined are human life. Separate they mean little, so we should not ban masturbation.


Funny how their unlawful in theocratic hell holes, while legal in shining progressive developed nations.

And the sperm and the egg are the foundations. You need the supplies before building something, right?

Oh yes, shining cities full of prosperous people and beautiful architecture and traditions that continue to this day are clearly hell holes.
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Don't worry. I'm equally (lesbians also) against same-sex marriage.

I apologize for my strange sense of grammar; I type like Charles Dickens fell down the stairs and suffered a traumatic injury

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Postby Baader-Meinhof Gruppe » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:06 pm

The Shia Califate wrote:
Baader-Meinhof Gruppe wrote:She cannot afford the child, therefore she should be forced to have an abortion, not forced to keep the child. If you can't afford the child you get an abortion, should be law by now. Forcing a child to live in poverty is child abuse

"forced" to have an abortion? What happened to being pro-choice?


I don't ever recall saying I was pro-choice. If having the child is going to be a burden on society, but she refuses to do the right thing do to her religious psychoses, then her pregnancy will have to be forcibly terminated. It's better for society and better for the child.

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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:06 pm

The Shia Califate wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
People should be able to have sex without having to worry about having a child.

Not if they're 16.


Ehhh... I guess but unnecessarily restricting options from her isn't exactly a helpful thing.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Kylistan » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:07 pm

Oneracon wrote:
The Shia Califate wrote:Unless you're Kermit Gosnell


"The murder charges related to a patient who died while under his care and seven newborns said to have been killed after being born alive during attempted abortions"

Please see underlined section.


Let me phrase it like this for you... Would you be willing to perform an abortion and be an abortion doctor? I know that I wouldn't be able to sleep at night. I would be thinking about all of the lives that I ended at work that day, and what those fetuses could have became if their lives had not been ended way too early...
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Postby Mkuki » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:07 pm

Vamtrl wrote:
Baader-Meinhof Gruppe wrote:She cannot afford the child, therefore she should be forced to have an abortion, not forced to keep the child. If you can't afford the child you get an abortion, should be law by now. Forcing a child to live in poverty is child abuse


What if she wanted to keep the child? Should the government forcefully abort the baby because she has no means of supporting it?

I don't think she wants to keep the fetus. :? However, if she does decide to keep said baby then, no, the government shouldn't forcefully abort the fetus.
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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:08 pm

The Shia Califate wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
Funny how their unlawful in theocratic hell holes, while legal in shining progressive developed nations.

And the sperm and the egg are the foundations. You need the supplies before building something, right?

Oh yes, shining cities full of prosperous people and beautiful architecture and traditions that continue to this day are clearly hell holes.


Yeah, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc. are just as prosperous and beautiful as places such as the UK, Sweden, Canada, and more.

And I think oppressive theocracies that execute gays and others aren't happy little places.
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Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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