Abortion Denied

[Dakini]

Clearly, 16 year old girls are only useful as incubators. They have nothing better to do with their lives like finishing high school.

[Sun Wukong]

So, providing for someone's medical expenses if they can't take care of them = big government.

Literally running every aspect of someone's life for 18 year, determining their education and bringing, setting in motion the habits that will determine their adult lives =/= big government.

Yep, you didn't think about this.

That only applies to wards of the state and it already happens with Public Education.

You don't think the government regulates orphanariums?

[Vazdania]

That only applies to wards of the state and it already happens with Public Education.

You don't think the government regulates orphanariums?

It does.

[Sun Wukong]

You don't think the government regulates orphanariums?

It does.

Well you've got all the dots you need. Must I connect them for you?

[Saiwania]

Condoms interfere with sex organ sensitivity.

Condoms are the only contraceptive method which provides adequate protection against STDs, if you want a substantially reduced risk of a venereal disease it is either you wear a condom or don't have sex at all. Considering the fact that condom design is improving, any loss of sensitivity is worth avoiding a possibly permanent medical condition.

After all, the sex is only temporary while a permanent STD can last a lifetime.

[Sun Wukong]

Condoms interfere with sex organ sensitivity.

Condoms are the only contraceptive method which provides adequate protection against STDs, if you want absolutely no risk of a venereal disease it is either you wear a condom or don't have sex at all. Considering the fact that condom design is improving, any loss of sensitivity is worth avoiding a possibly permanent medical condition.

Ha ha. No.

[Vazdania]

It does.

Well you've got all the dots you need. Must I connect them for you?

That's not big government. We have vastly different views of what big government means.

[Kylistan]

I don't understand what liberals don't get. They support government sanctioned murder of innocent babies, yet they are against the government sanctioned murder of serial killers and rapists. I truly don't understand this philosophy at all.

[Salandriagado]

I don't understand what liberals don't get. They support government sanctioned murder of innocent babies,

No, we simply respect the right to bodily autonomy.

yet they are against the government sanctioned murder of serial killers and rapists.

No, we simply realise that mistakes happen, innocent people get found guilty, and it's a fuck lot easier to release them from, apologise and give them some money than it is to bring them back to life after you've killed them.

I truly don't understand this philosophy at all.

That's probably because it's a strawman.

[Sun Wukong]

I don't understand what liberals don't get. They support government sanctioned murder of innocent babies, yet they are against the government sanctioned murder of serial killers and rapists. I truly don't understand this philosophy at all.

Now observe, fine viewers, as the reactionary fails to understand that a fetus is not a baby.

[Olthar]

That's pretty disgusting, really. They essentially just condemned her to a life of poverty and desperation.

[Gauthier]

I don't understand what liberals don't get. They support government sanctioned murder of innocent babies,

No, we simply respect the right to bodily autonomy.

yet they are against the government sanctioned murder of serial killers and rapists.

No, we simply realise that mistakes happen, innocent people get found guilty, and it's a fuck lot easier to release them from, apologise and give them some money than it is to bring them back to life after you've killed them.

I truly don't understand this philosophy at all.

That's probably because it's a strawman.

It's hilarious how the party that's so adamant about banning abortion completely to Protect the Unborn happens to be the same party that wants to slash spending on social safety nets like welfare, SNAP and public education. Like they don't really care about anything besides imposing control on women.

[Libertarian California]

Abort the kid and spare him a miserable childhood, and spare the community another needless dependent.

All I see is "I think human life is worthless,I am not willing to support orphans"

What you should see is a solution to an unnecessary problem.

[Benuty]

This is why it would be most beneficial for the organization from "The Tall Man" to exist.

[Marquette of Pacific]

A 16-year-old girl in foster care in Nebraska has been denied an abortion after the state’s Supreme Court ruled she wasn’t mature enough to opt for the procedure and should give birth instead. The unnamed teenager had asked a judge to waive the state’s requirement she obtain parental consent, arguing that her biological parents’ rights had been terminated after years of abuse and that her strongly religious foster parents would refuse to consent to an abortion. The girl said she didn’t have the ability to “be the right mom that I would like to be right now.” A district judge’s refusal to grant the waiver was upheld by the state Supreme Court, which concluded that because the girl was financially dependent on her foster parents, had never lived on her own, and had no work experience, she wasn’t mature enough to choose an abortion.

You have to wonder about the logic here... She isn't mature enough enough to choose to have an abortion, but she is mature to be forced into parenthood...
Frankly, I'd say that the reasoning she provides for why she wishes to get an abortion indicate that she is mature enough to make the decision.

LINCOLN — The Nebraska Supreme Court on Friday refused a 16-year-old foster child's request to get an abortion without parental consent.

The court majority ruled that the girl, identified only as Anonymous 5, was not mature enough to make the decision herself.

But two judges, in a dissent, said Nebraska law leaves the girl without an avenue to get an abortion.

“The Legislature has assumed under (the law) that all minors will have a parent or guardian who can give consent,” Judge William Connolly wrote. “As this case illustrates, however, that is not always true.”

Connolly said the girl involved in the case does not have a parent or guardian to give consent for an abortion, other than the State Department of Health and Human Services.

But state regulations bar the department from either giving or withholding consent for a ward to get an abortion.

“She is in legal limbo — a quandary of the Legislature's making,” Connolly said.

The high court ruling was the first involving Nebraska's new parental consent law.

Passed last year, the law requires girls age 17 and younger to get written, notarized consent from a parent or guardian for an abortion. Previous state law required only that a parent be notified of a girl's plans for an abortion.

The new law allows girls to bypass the consent provision in medical emergencies, if they are victims of abuse or neglect or if they can convince a judge that they are mature and well-­informed enough to make the decision themselves.

The high court said the girl is not currently a victim of abuse, even though she was removed from her parents two years ago because of physical abuse and neglect. Her parents lost their parental rights earlier this year.

Catherine Mahern, the attorney representing the girl, said her client went before Douglas County District Judge Peter Bataillon in July. At the time, the girl was 10 weeks pregnant.

Mahern declined to say whether the girl is still pregnant, three months later. “It is not in my client's best interests to comment,” she said.

She noted there are ways for a minor to bypass parental consent other than through the courts. Among them is going to another state, she said.

Mahern said she believes the court ruling avoided some issues, including whether the district court judge demonstrated bias.

According to the Supreme Court ruling, Bataillon had asked the girl if she understood that “when you have the abortion it's going to kill the child inside you.”

The high court majority refused to rule on that issue, saying that it should have been raised in district court.

The high court also declined to consider whether the girl had a right to decide on an abortion without the consent of HHS, the agency which has legal responsibility for her.

Nor did it decide whether the law allows foster parents to act as the girl's guardians in granting consent for an abortion.

Suzanne Gage, a lobbyist for Americans United for Life, the group that pushed for the parental consent law, said the group's attorneys are studying the ruling.

Jill June, president and CEO of Planned Parenthood of the Heartland, which provides abortion services in Omaha and Lincoln, called the ruling “concerning” because the court eliminated “a safe and legal option for a woman in a dire circumstance.”

What say you, NSG? Did the Nebraska Supreme Court make the right decision here or not?

Forced into parenthood? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? She chose to become a parent by having her boyfriend not wear a condom. It's her mistake and she needs to live with it.

[Ashmoria]

I don't understand what liberals don't get. They support government sanctioned murder of innocent babies, yet they are against the government sanctioned murder of serial killers and rapists. I truly don't understand this philosophy at all.

I don't get why you don't address the topic at hand.

why should this 16 year old be denied the medical rights every other woman in America has?

[Saiwania]

It's hilarious how the party that's so adamant about banning abortion completely to Protect the Unborn happens to be the same party that wants to slash spending on social safety nets like welfare, SNAP and public education. Like they don't really care about anything besides imposing control on women.

I blame the social conservatives for holding my party back, I'm more of an economic conservative. But it might be fact that there are more social conservatives than there are people like me. Perhaps there is no getting rid of them.

[Benuty]

You have to wonder about the logic here... She isn't mature enough enough to choose to have an abortion, but she is mature to be forced into parenthood...
Frankly, I'd say that the reasoning she provides for why she wishes to get an abortion indicate that she is mature enough to make the decision.

What say you, NSG? Did the Nebraska Supreme Court make the right decision here or not?

Forced into parenthood? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? She chose to become a parent by having her boyfriend not wear a condom. It's her mistake and she needs to live with it.

It is thinking like that which leads to unnecessary numbers of pregnancy and death.

[Mavorpen]

You have to wonder about the logic here... She isn't mature enough enough to choose to have an abortion, but she is mature to be forced into parenthood...
Frankly, I'd say that the reasoning she provides for why she wishes to get an abortion indicate that she is mature enough to make the decision.

What say you, NSG? Did the Nebraska Supreme Court make the right decision here or not?

Forced into parenthood? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? She chose to become a parent by having her boyfriend not wear a condom. It's her mistake and she needs to live with it.

I'm sure you can prove she didn't use a condom.

[Marquette of Pacific]

Forced into parenthood? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? She chose to become a parent by having her boyfriend not wear a condom. It's her mistake and she needs to live with it.

I'm sure you can prove she didn't use a condom.

You don't get pregnant if you use a condom.

[Chettinad (Ancient)]

Really this is more of a debate as to whether unborn babies up to a certain age are considered human or not...

[Kylistan]

I don't understand what liberals don't get. They support government sanctioned murder of innocent babies, yet they are against the government sanctioned murder of serial killers and rapists. I truly don't understand this philosophy at all.

I don't get why you don't address the topic at hand.

why should this 16 year old be denied the medical rights every other woman in America has?

Because its a law in Nebraska that you must obtain parental consent and she was unable to obtain that therefore she should not be allowed to have an abortion. The court was just abiding by state laws.

[Benuty]

I'm sure you can prove she didn't use a condom.

You don't get pregnant if you use a condom.

Source?

[Sun Wukong]

You have to wonder about the logic here... She isn't mature enough enough to choose to have an abortion, but she is mature to be forced into parenthood...
Frankly, I'd say that the reasoning she provides for why she wishes to get an abortion indicate that she is mature enough to make the decision.

What say you, NSG? Did the Nebraska Supreme Court make the right decision here or not?

Forced into parenthood? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? She chose to become a parent by having her boyfriend not wear a condom. It's her mistake and she needs to live with it.

I love this sentence.

I would also love to have your sources that inform us as to the state of her boyfriend's penis on the night of conception. How do you know? Were you there?

[Sun Wukong]

I'm sure you can prove she didn't use a condom.

You don't get pregnant if you use a condom.

Hahaha. No.