Gay marriage to be allowed in NJ

[Ainin]

Besides, there are certain benefits that married couples receive, that gay couples do not, if they are not allowed to marry.

Such as?

• Spouse sponsorship for immigration
• Filing joint tax returns
• Tax breaks
• So much more, here's a list

[Liriena]

Myopic? Oh, you want me to see the bigger picture? I can do that!

Let's see the big picture... oh, yeah, have I mentioned how the legal rights that come with civil marriage simplify family-building and monogamy, and on top of that they have long term positive effects on public health and the economy?

Very good. "Legal" rights as opposed to a natural rights (life, liberty, property).

Ugh... don't ever set a single foot in law school. The iusnaturalists and positivists will tear you to shreds.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Hospital visitation rights, burial rights, and about 999 other benefits granted to marred couples, IIRC.

Fine give them those benefits in a civil union then.

Why not just give them those benefits in the form of marriage so as to not needlessly segregate couples based on sexual orientation?

[Orcoa]

Hospital visitation rights, burial rights, and about 999 other benefits granted to marred couples, IIRC.

Fine give them those benefits in a civil union then.

No, how about we give them what they deserve, what every straight couple gets when they get married and be equal.

If you don't like that, tough rocks

[Threlizdun]

Myopic? Oh, you want me to see the bigger picture? I can do that!

Let's see the big picture... oh, yeah, have I mentioned how the legal rights that come with civil marriage simplify family-building and monogamy, and on top of that they have long term positive effects on public health and the economy?

Very good. "Legal" rights as opposed to a natural rights (life, liberty, property).

Natural rights don't exist. All rights are legal rights

[Dumb Ideologies]

Very good. "Legal" rights as opposed to a natural rights (life, liberty, property).

Ugh... don't ever set a single foot in law school. The iusnaturalists and positivists will tear you to shreds.

That and the law bears.

[Liriena]

Hospital visitation rights, burial rights, and about 999 other benefits granted to marred couples, IIRC.

Fine give them those benefits in a civil union then.

Why install a convoluted "separate but equal" policy when you already have marriage available?

[Ainin]

Myopic? Oh, you want me to see the bigger picture? I can do that!

Let's see the big picture... oh, yeah, have I mentioned how the legal rights that come with civil marriage simplify family-building and monogamy, and on top of that they have long term positive effects on public health and the economy?

Very good. "Legal" rights as opposed to a natural rights (life, liberty, property).

There is no such thing as a natural right. Without the state, you have no rights.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Fine give them those benefits in a civil union then.

Why not just give them those benefits in the form of marriage so as to not needlessly segregate couples based on sexual orientation?

Because Jesus.

[Blasveck]

Hospital visitation rights, burial rights, and about 999 other benefits granted to marred couples, IIRC.

Fine give them those benefits in a civil union then.

Why not call it a marriage?

[IamJohnGalt]

CORRECT!

In other words, the world's legal system will fall apart as billions of married couples automatically lose countless rights and only those few who are resourceful and educated enough to get those individual rights privately will be able to save themselves from the socioeconomic clusterfuck, and in the meantime lawyers will take advantage of said unregulated socioeconomic clusterfuck and swindle the unwary and penniless couples of the world into atrocious alternatives to marriage licenses?

Delightful. Totally looking forward to it.

Yes only the Great and Powerful State can save us from this inevitable melt down. Hyperbole much?

[Liriena]

CORRECT!

Enjoy being prevented from seeing your dying loved one in the hospital, having no joint adoption rights, not being able to see your children being born, and not knowing if any tragedy befalls them until you see them in the obituaries.

But... my (sociopathic concept of) freedom!

[Ainin]

Hospital visitation rights, burial rights, and about 999 other benefits granted to marred couples, IIRC.

Fine give them those benefits in a civil union then.

Then what would be the point of keeping the two institutions separate?

[Threlizdun]

Fine give them those benefits in a civil union then.

Why not call it a marriage?

Because then they don't get to officially recognize them as second-class citizens

[Neo Rome Republic]

Why not just give them those benefits in the form of marriage so as to not needlessly segregate couples based on sexual orientation?

Because Jesus.

But some Churches allow gay marriage, and this is a Secular country not a Christian Theocracy, despite what many Right-wing extremists want.

[Ainin]

Yes only the Great and Powerful State can save us from this inevitable melt down.

Yes.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Myopic? Oh, you want me to see the bigger picture? I can do that!

Let's see the big picture... oh, yeah, have I mentioned how the legal rights that come with civil marriage simplify family-building and monogamy, and on top of that they have long term positive effects on public health and the economy?

Very good. "Legal" rights as opposed to a natural rights (life, liberty, property).

Are natural rights homeopathic? I for one haven't bumped into any, so I was wondering if they might be diluted but remembered somewhere in a garden pond.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

In other words, the world's legal system will fall apart as billions of married couples automatically lose countless rights and only those few who are resourceful and educated enough to get those individual rights privately will be able to save themselves from the socioeconomic clusterfuck, and in the meantime lawyers will take advantage of said unregulated socioeconomic clusterfuck and swindle the unwary and penniless couples of the world into atrocious alternatives to marriage licenses?

Delightful. Totally looking forward to it.

Yes only the Great and Powerful State can save us from this inevitable melt down. Hyperbole much?

Actually, yes. It's not hyperbole. That would likely be the inevitable outcome of such a dramatic shift in legal status.

[European Socialist Republic]

CORRECT!

In other words, the world's legal system will fall apart as billions of married couples automatically lose countless rights and only those few who are resourceful and educated enough to get those individual rights privately will be able to save themselves from the socioeconomic clusterfuck, and in the meantime lawyers will take advantage of said unregulated socioeconomic clusterfuck and swindle the unwary and penniless couples of the world into atrocious alternatives to marriage licenses?

Delightful. Totally looking forward to it.

Yup, only the rich, job-creating Übermensch will be able to afford marriage. Too bad for the lazy, parasitic moochers but they deserve it!

[Genivaria]

Civil marriage is the government's way of recognizing that commitment and ensuring that those benefits are granted.

Civil marriage is the government's way of recognizing that commitment and ensuring that the loot is granted.

Ya know just calling everything 'loot' shows a rather black and white view.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Because Jesus.

But some Churches allow gay marriage, and this is a Secular country not a Christian Theocracy, despite what many Right-wing extremists want.

Because American Jesus.

[Threlizdun]

In other words, the world's legal system will fall apart as billions of married couples automatically lose countless rights and only those few who are resourceful and educated enough to get those individual rights privately will be able to save themselves from the socioeconomic clusterfuck, and in the meantime lawyers will take advantage of said unregulated socioeconomic clusterfuck and swindle the unwary and penniless couples of the world into atrocious alternatives to marriage licenses?

Delightful. Totally looking forward to it.

Yes only the Great and Powerful State can save us from this inevitable melt down. Hyperbole much?

In a world where all marriage rights suddenly vanish, then yes, shit goes bad really fast.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Civil marriage is the government's way of recognizing that commitment and ensuring that the loot is granted.

Ya know just calling everything 'loot' shows a rather black and white view.

Yeah, Objectivists don't see that as a bad thing.

[Yankeesse]

Fine give them those benefits in a civil union then.

Why not just give them those benefits in the form of marriage so as to not needlessly segregate couples based on sexual orientation?

Because there have been cases of Clergymen refusing to perform such "marriages as it is against their beleifs ad they get sued over it.

Because Marriage is about setting up the foundations of a family which same sex couples cannot do in any natural way.

Why should people want to take part in a tradition of Union when it has historically excluded them anyway?

[Neo Rome Republic]

But some Churches allow gay marriage, and this is a Secular country not a Christian Theocracy, despite what many Right-wing extremists want.

Because American Jesus.

Some 'Murcian churches allow gay marriage