I believe there is an institution in this nation that actually defines what marriage is...I think you may have heard of it...it is called the Government.
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by The Godly Nations » Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:09 pm
by The Godly Nations » Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:09 pm
by Geilinor » Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:10 pm
by Condunum » Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:10 pm
IamJohnGalt wrote:The Godly Nations wrote:
There is no right without government.
"If physical force is to be barred from social relationships, men need an institution charged with the task of protecting their rights under an objective code of rules. This is the task of a government—of a proper government—its basic task, its only moral justification and the reason why men do need a government." ~Ayn Rand
by Liriena » Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:13 pm
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by Liriena » Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:14 pm
IamJohnGalt wrote:The Godly Nations wrote:
There is no right without government.
"If physical force is to be barred from social relationships, men need an institution charged with the task of protecting their rights under an objective code of rules. This is the task of a government—of a proper government—its basic task, its only moral justification and the reason why men do need a government." ~Ayn Rand
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by IamJohnGalt » Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:14 pm
by Blekksprutia » Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:14 pm
by Yumyumsuppertime » Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:16 pm
IamJohnGalt wrote:Genivaria wrote:The facts say otherwise. Try reading the sources provided.
You don't follow things very well. Go back and read my other posts I don't want to repeat myself. Marriage "rights" (loot) are provided by the State.(I get that...no argument here). Government should not be in the marriage business.(but it is, I get that...no argument here) If gays or straights want to marry...fine. Leave my money out of it.
by Liriena » Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:16 pm
IamJohnGalt wrote:Genivaria wrote:The facts say otherwise. Try reading the sources provided.
You don't follow things very well. Go back and read my other posts I don't want to repeat myself. Marriage "rights" (loot) are provided by the State.(I get that...no argument here). Government should not be in the marriage business.(but it is, I get that...no argument here) If gays or straights want to marry...fine. Leave my money out of it.
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by Thama » Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:16 pm
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by Genivaria » Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:16 pm
IamJohnGalt wrote:Genivaria wrote:The facts say otherwise. Try reading the sources provided.
You don't follow things very well. Go back and read my other posts I don't want to repeat myself. Marriage "rights" (loot) are provided by the State.(I get that...no argument here). Government should not be in the marriage business.(but it is, I get that...no argument here) If gays or straights want to marry...fine. Leave my money out of it.
by IamJohnGalt » Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:16 pm
by The Godly Nations » Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:16 pm
IamJohnGalt wrote:Genivaria wrote:The facts say otherwise. Try reading the sources provided.
You don't follow things very well. Go back and read my other posts I don't want to repeat myself. Marriage "rights" (loot) are provided by the State.(I get that...no argument here). Government should not be in the marriage business.(but it is, I get that...no argument here) If gays or straights want to marry...fine. Leave my money out of it.
by Grenartia » Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:17 pm
Minarchist States wrote:Grenartia wrote:
1. Marriage doesn't benefit single persons. It benefits couples. The rights associated with marriage are irrelevant to single people, and do not disadvantage them. My spouse being able to tell the doctor which medical treatment I'd want do not disadvantage you as a single person.
2. The state simply can't give your shit away to simply any person in particular, at least not without due process. The two people the state first look for, are your spouse, and your next of kin. If you have no legally recognized spouse, your property, by default, goes to your next of kin. If you have neither, it goes to the state, where it is liquidated to benefit the community as a whole. Without looking at your link, the only reason a poodle got the mansion was probably because the owner granted it ownership in their will.
1.) Yes, but arguably compared to each other, couples have some general advantages that may or may not be at the expense of other individuals, whether single or not.
2.) Can't say I agree with it. Arguably from another standpoint, why should you be allowed to give money to your animals when it could benefit said community better? Certainly it would be better for the state to seize said assets than give it to anyone. You are dead, after all.
by Liriena » Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:17 pm
Blekksprutia wrote:Yay! Finally
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by Threlizdun » Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:17 pm
If the government is not involved in marriage then it literally will offer no benefits anymore.IamJohnGalt wrote:Genivaria wrote:The facts say otherwise. Try reading the sources provided.
You don't follow things very well. Go back and read my other posts I don't want to repeat myself. Marriage "rights" (loot) are provided by the State.(I get that...no argument here). Government should not be in the marriage business.(but it is, I get that...no argument here) If gays or straights want to marry...fine. Leave my money out of it.
by IamJohnGalt » Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:17 pm
Liriena wrote:IamJohnGalt wrote:
You don't follow things very well. Go back and read my other posts I don't want to repeat myself. Marriage "rights" (loot) are provided by the State.(I get that...no argument here). Government should not be in the marriage business.(but it is, I get that...no argument here) If gays or straights want to marry...fine. Leave my money out of it.
I'm pretty sure marriage licenses are not free, and most married couples pay taxes, so it is unlikely a single dime of your own cash goes to them, even if you're single.
by IamJohnGalt » Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:17 pm
Threlizdun wrote:If the government is not involved in marriage then it literally will offer no benefits anymore.IamJohnGalt wrote:
You don't follow things very well. Go back and read my other posts I don't want to repeat myself. Marriage "rights" (loot) are provided by the State.(I get that...no argument here). Government should not be in the marriage business.(but it is, I get that...no argument here) If gays or straights want to marry...fine. Leave my money out of it.
by Liriena » Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:17 pm
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by Yankeesse » Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:18 pm
Agritum wrote:How? Backwards isn't an insult. It's just a synonym of reactionary, which carries no negative connotations.
Unless you dislike people noticing your reactionary beliefs.
by The Godly Nations » Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:19 pm
by Blasveck » Sat Oct 19, 2013 2:19 pm
Yankeesse wrote:The Godly Nations wrote:
So says the Fascist.
I Tolerate things.
But even when i don't at least im not a hypocrite about it.Agritum wrote:How? Backwards isn't an insult. It's just a synonym of reactionary, which carries no negative connotations.
Unless you dislike people noticing your reactionary beliefs.
It can be meant as an insult, but the point is your implying i hold some view which is no longer relevent or valid, i.e. a wrong beleif and you do this because it runs contrary to your own and this is your way of legitmizing your own position by dismissing my views as "backwards".
Reactionary as a term is relative though and i personally do not mind being called one in relation to certain issues.
I really don't see how same sex marriage progresses anything or betters society or that it's anything other than hihacking a union of and foundation of a new family for the purpose of a Ceremony to what? Recognize a relationship between two gay individuals?
What does this do to benefit anyone? Other than people latching on to some pointless social issue in order to feel all warm inside and pretend their making "social progress".
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