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by Vazdania » Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:12 am
by Franklin Delano Bluth » Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:12 am
by Regnum Dominae » Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:13 am
by Wisconsin9 » Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:18 am
by Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:57 am
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:Shouldn't be a problem with Utah, if you think about it.
After all, we all know that pornography and gay marriage are just the top and bottom of the downhill slope of perversion.
And Utah apparently consumes Onanistic inspirations at a higher rate than anywhere else.
by Sommorragh » Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:15 am
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:Vazdania wrote:Good luck with getting Idaho and Utah to allow gay marriage. Just........I'll pray for you.
Shouldn't be a problem with Utah, if you think about it.
After all, we all know that pornography and gay marriage are just the top and bottom of the downhill slope of perversion.
And Utah apparently consumes Onanistic inspirations at a higher rate than anywhere else.
by Immoren » Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:18 am
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there
by Grenartia » Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:33 am
Sommorragh wrote:Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
Shouldn't be a problem with Utah, if you think about it.
After all, we all know that pornography and gay marriage are just the top and bottom of the downhill slope of perversion.
And Utah apparently consumes Onanistic inspirations at a higher rate than anywhere else.
There's no repression like religious repression.
by Franklin Delano Bluth » Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:39 am
by The Godly Nations » Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:45 am
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:Grenartia wrote:
Besides, seeing as how so many Mormons buy that slippery slope fallacy bullshit, shouldn't they be jumping for joy for same-sex marriage anyways, seeing as how polygamy is on that slope somewhere?
LDS Mormons discarded that doctrine long ago.
Though there are some non-LDS sects that still buy into it, but they're a very very small minority.
by Franklin Delano Bluth » Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:50 am
by Grenartia » Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:05 pm
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:Grenartia wrote:
Besides, seeing as how so many Mormons buy that slippery slope fallacy bullshit, shouldn't they be jumping for joy for same-sex marriage anyways, seeing as how polygamy is on that slope somewhere?
LDS Mormons discarded that doctrine long ago.
Though there are some non-LDS sects that still buy into it, but they're a very very small minority.
by IamJohnGalt » Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:25 pm
Grenartia wrote:Risottia wrote:
I am disappointed. If things continue this way, chances are that even Alabama will get equal marriage before Italy does.
WHERE'S MY EUROPEAN SUPREMACY ON HUMAN RIGHTS DAMMIT! WHERE'S MY STEREOTYPE OF AMERICA AS A BACKWARDS FUNDIE HELLHOLE! THIS IS NOT HOW IT IS SUPPOSED TO GO!
Perhaps the best thing is that most Americans will think all of Europe already has it. We'll beat you to the punch fully thinking we were the last to the party.IamJohnGalt wrote:The government should not be in the marriage business. The only right anyone has is the right to his or her life. His freedom to act by his own judgement for his own goals without coercion.
Except, it does. Marriage guarantees certain benefits that committed couples NEED. Things like hospital visitation, medical decisions, funeral planning, inheritance, etc. And the cheapest, simplest solution to guaranteeing these necessities is this thing we call the institution of marriage. Every other alternative involves shitloads of time, money, and paperwork (and at least one lawyer) that only a rich person could afford (and even then, the benefits aren't necessarily guaranteed).
Simply put: "Get teh ebil gobment outta marriage" is a Bad Thing TM.
by Lithosano » Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:35 pm
IamJohnGalt wrote:Grenartia wrote:
Perhaps the best thing is that most Americans will think all of Europe already has it. We'll beat you to the punch fully thinking we were the last to the party.
Except, it does. Marriage guarantees certain benefits that committed couples NEED. Things like hospital visitation, medical decisions, funeral planning, inheritance, etc. And the cheapest, simplest solution to guaranteeing these necessities is this thing we call the institution of marriage. Every other alternative involves shitloads of time, money, and paperwork (and at least one lawyer) that only a rich person could afford (and even then, the benefits aren't necessarily guaranteed).
Simply put: "Get teh ebil gobment outta marriage" is a Bad Thing TM.
Marriage does't guarantee anything. NEED is subjective and irrelevant. WANT would be a better adjective.
by IamJohnGalt » Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:37 pm
by IamJohnGalt » Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:47 pm
Wisconsin9 wrote:IamJohnGalt wrote:The government should not be in the marriage business. The only right anyone has is the right to his or her life. His freedom to act by his own judgement for his own goals without coercion.
Which is exactly what the New Jersey government guaranteed with this.
And give me back my name, it was mine first.
by Minarchist States » Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:47 pm
by Grenartia » Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:50 pm
IamJohnGalt wrote:Grenartia wrote:
Perhaps the best thing is that most Americans will think all of Europe already has it. We'll beat you to the punch fully thinking we were the last to the party.
Except, it does. Marriage guarantees certain benefits that committed couples NEED. Things like hospital visitation, medical decisions, funeral planning, inheritance, etc. And the cheapest, simplest solution to guaranteeing these necessities is this thing we call the institution of marriage. Every other alternative involves shitloads of time, money, and paperwork (and at least one lawyer) that only a rich person could afford (and even then, the benefits aren't necessarily guaranteed).
Simply put: "Get teh ebil gobment outta marriage" is a Bad Thing TM.
Marriage does't guarantee anything. NEED is subjective and irrelevant. WANT would be a better adjective.
IamJohnGalt wrote:Liriena wrote:So... there is no right to freedom of the press, bodily sovereignity, privacy, vote or equality under the law?
The right to life is the source of all rights.
"The source of man’s rights is not divine law or congressional law, but the law of identity. A is A—and Man is Man. Rights are conditions of existence required by man’s nature for his proper survival. If man is to live on earth, it is right for him to use his mind, it is right to act on his own free judgment, it is right to work for his values and to keep the product of his work. If life on earth is his purpose, he has a right to live as a rational being: nature forbids him the irrational. Any group, any gang, any nation that attempts to negate man’s rights, is wrong, which means: is evil, which means: is anti-life." ~ Ayn Rand
by Oaledonia » Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:50 pm
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by Minarchist States » Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:52 pm
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by IamJohnGalt » Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:52 pm
Lithosano wrote:IamJohnGalt wrote:
Marriage does't guarantee anything. NEED is subjective and irrelevant. WANT would be a better adjective.
Regardless of the subjectivity of the benefits of marriage (after all, you don't truly NEED clothes, you just WANT clothes.), marriage guarantees a whole shitload of stuff. Over 1,000 federal benefits in fact, and that's not including state benefits.
by Minarchist States » Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:54 pm
IamJohnGalt wrote:Lithosano wrote:
Regardless of the subjectivity of the benefits of marriage (after all, you don't truly NEED clothes, you just WANT clothes.), marriage guarantees a whole shitload of stuff. Over 1,000 federal benefits in fact, and that's not including state benefits.
The main issue to you is the loot you can mooch. In other words if heterosexual couples were not given certain benefits you would be fine with homosexual couples not having any benefit from the State for marriage. That's exactly what I am saying. Want to be gay and married...fine. Want to be straight and married...fine. Leave my money out of it either way.
by Grenartia » Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:57 pm
Minarchist States wrote:IamJohnGalt wrote:
The main issue to you is the loot you can mooch. In other words if heterosexual couples were not given certain benefits you would be fine with homosexual couples not having any benefit from the State for marriage. That's exactly what I am saying. Want to be gay and married...fine. Want to be straight and married...fine. Leave my money out of it either way.
Agreed. So much complications arise out of the ordeal.
by Lithosano » Sat Oct 19, 2013 1:00 pm
IamJohnGalt wrote:Lithosano wrote:
Regardless of the subjectivity of the benefits of marriage (after all, you don't truly NEED clothes, you just WANT clothes.), marriage guarantees a whole shitload of stuff. Over 1,000 federal benefits in fact, and that's not including state benefits.
The main issue to you is the loot you can mooch. In other words if heterosexual couples were not given certain benefits you would be fine with homosexual couples not having any benefit from the State for marriage. That's exactly what I am saying. Want to be gay and married...fine. Want to be straight and married...fine. Leave my money out of it either way.
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