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Postby Chernoslavia » Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:11 pm

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Postby Dangelia » Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:12 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:Patton

A mix of Stalin and Tito.

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Postby Chernoslavia » Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:17 pm

Dangelia wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:Patton

A mix of Stalin and Tito.


*smacks Dangelia with a newspaper*

Nope.
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Postby The Witch Queen » Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:35 am

So many good ones from all the various time periods but I will settle on WWII. Even then there are several really good choices, but if I had to choose only one...

Dwight D. Eisenhower. He was the quintessential supreme commander. It is far too easy to conveniently forget just how many differences and even egos existed, especially considering how well he dealt with them all. Then, there was D-Day which was a logistical and espionage feat of great proportions due to the sheer complexity and need for secrecy, not so much for when they were going to land, but where since a landing on 'Fortress Europe' was considered inevitable. Eisenhower was a career staff officer and did not go the route of a battlefield commander. While many viewed this as an initial flaw, he made up for it with one incredible ability, namely, how to lead the men who actually knew how to fight.

That was a truly valuable skill and something in high demand.
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Postby Starkiller101 » Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:25 am

mine was eisenhower
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Postby Olivaero » Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:17 am

General Gordon of Khartoum. He was so bloody close! Sure the guy was a little crazy but he had a history of victories where the numbers were against him and he sailed down the Nile with very few troupes, organized the evacuation of all British citizens from Khartoum, and organized a defence of the city with local troupes that held Khartoum for a year and fell just two days before the the government help arrived. Which he had been requesting pretty much constantly since he got there but which the British government was reluctant to provide.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:21 pm

Olivaero wrote:General Gordon of Khartoum. He was so bloody close! Sure the guy was a little crazy but he had a history of victories where the numbers were against him and he sailed down the Nile with very few troupes, organized the evacuation of all British citizens from Khartoum, and organized a defence of the city with local troupes that held Khartoum for a year and fell just two days before the the government help arrived. Which he had been requesting pretty much constantly since he got there but which the British government was reluctant to provide.


occupying a hopeless position after you've explicitly been told that re-enforcements won't be coming doesn't strike me as that smart.
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Postby Olivaero » Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:28 pm

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Olivaero wrote:General Gordon of Khartoum. He was so bloody close! Sure the guy was a little crazy but he had a history of victories where the numbers were against him and he sailed down the Nile with very few troupes, organized the evacuation of all British citizens from Khartoum, and organized a defence of the city with local troupes that held Khartoum for a year and fell just two days before the the government help arrived. Which he had been requesting pretty much constantly since he got there but which the British government was reluctant to provide.


occupying a hopeless position after you've explicitly been told that re-enforcements won't be coming doesn't strike me as that smart.

Well I did say he was a little crazy but holding a city just with anyone you can find around and holding it for a yearish is certainly an achievement.
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Postby Ayreonia » Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:29 pm

Dangelia wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:Patton

A mix of Stalin and Tito.

Nah, Patton was more like a mix of John Wayne and a Rommel with sufficient resources.
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Postby Confederacy of Ottomark » Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:33 am

The Witch Queen wrote:So many good ones from all the various time periods but I will settle on WWII. Even then there are several really good choices, but if I had to choose only one...

Dwight D. Eisenhower. He was the quintessential supreme commander. It is far too easy to conveniently forget just how many differences and even egos existed, especially considering how well he dealt with them all. Then, there was D-Day which was a logistical and espionage feat of great proportions due to the sheer complexity and need for secrecy, not so much for when they were going to land, but where since a landing on 'Fortress Europe' was considered inevitable. Eisenhower was a career staff officer and did not go the route of a battlefield commander. While many viewed this as an initial flaw, he made up for it with one incredible ability, namely, how to lead the men who actually knew how to fight.

That was a truly valuable skill and something in high demand.


After really getting into the World War 2 series by Jeff Shaara, I would have to agree. It's interesting to note early in his military career he wanted nothing more then to take to the battlefield. What can I say? I like Ike!

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Postby Wind in the Willows » Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:35 am

Rommel.

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Postby Indira » Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:35 am

Rommel. Good general and apparently a good man from what I've heard.

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:43 am

Hannibal, Cyrus, Rommel, Sherman, Napolean, Zhukov...Probably a number of others.

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Postby Umbra Ac Silentium » Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:45 am

I can't exactly decide which mass murder is my favorite. I mean this one got all rapey on the towns pillaged and this one tortured prisoners so I mean it's a real contest to decide which one I like best.

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Postby Amuricio » Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:02 pm

Well said, Sileentium. Well said!

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Postby Calenhardon » Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:10 pm

Umbra Ac Silentium wrote:I can't exactly decide which mass murder is my favorite. I mean this one got all rapey on the towns pillaged and this one tortured prisoners so I mean it's a real contest to decide which one I like best.


Personally, I'm a fan of the ones who put an end to a treasonous slaveocracy and defeated genocidal imperialists. In particular, the guys who made sure my grandfather didn't spend his life as a slave laborer are pretty cool.
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Postby Immoren » Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:10 pm

General Calculus obviously.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:11 pm

Immoren wrote:General Calculus obviously.

Not General Relativity? I'm shocked.

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Postby Umbra Ac Silentium » Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:14 pm

Calenhardon wrote:
Umbra Ac Silentium wrote:I can't exactly decide which mass murder is my favorite. I mean this one got all rapey on the towns pillaged and this one tortured prisoners so I mean it's a real contest to decide which one I like best.


Personally, I'm a fan of the ones who put an end to a treasonous slaveocracy and defeated genocidal imperialists. In particular, the guys who made sure my grandfather didn't spend his life as a slave laborer are pretty cool.

It's like designing a vaccine for a man-made virus. You could have just gone without making it at all and things would be a whole lot better.

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Postby The Witch Queen » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:19 pm

Confederacy of Ottomark wrote:
The Witch Queen wrote:So many good ones from all the various time periods but I will settle on WWII. Even then there are several really good choices, but if I had to choose only one...

Dwight D. Eisenhower. He was the quintessential supreme commander. It is far too easy to conveniently forget just how many differences and even egos existed, especially considering how well he dealt with them all. Then, there was D-Day which was a logistical and espionage feat of great proportions due to the sheer complexity and need for secrecy, not so much for when they were going to land, but where since a landing on 'Fortress Europe' was considered inevitable. Eisenhower was a career staff officer and did not go the route of a battlefield commander. While many viewed this as an initial flaw, he made up for it with one incredible ability, namely, how to lead the men who actually knew how to fight.

That was a truly valuable skill and something in high demand.


After really getting into the World War 2 series by Jeff Shaara, I would have to agree. It's interesting to note early in his military career he wanted nothing more then to take to the battlefield. What can I say? I like Ike!


I like Ike indeed. :)

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Postby Seleucas » Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:59 pm

Stonewall Jackson was as brilliant as he was strange; I think it would have been interesting to see how things would have turned out had he not been shot up.
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Postby Norjagen » Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:08 pm

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Postby United American Lands » Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:14 pm

It might just be my patriotism speaking here, but George Washington was a pretty good general under the circumstances.
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Postby Empire of Narnia » Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:24 pm

General Custer. He may have died, but I would rather hang out with him than some Nazi dude.

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