by Vault 1 » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:12 am
by Risottia » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:15 am
Vault 1 wrote:What do you think - is this shutdown actually an opportunity in disguise?
by Aquafireland » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:19 am
by Vault 1 » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:23 am
Risottia wrote:An opportunity for the USA never to exist again as a country.
An opportunity for sure, I don't know why the Americans should like it though.
by Xsyne » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:25 am
Chernoslavia wrote:Free Soviets wrote:according to both the law library of congress and wikipedia, both automatics and semi-autos that can be easily converted are outright banned in norway.
Source?
by Risottia » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:28 am
Vault 1 wrote:Risottia wrote:An opportunity for the USA never to exist again as a country.
An opportunity for sure, I don't know why the Americans should like it though.
A country bound together by common culture, common language and common borders, just not by one all-powerful federal government, is still a country.
Will you consider an acquaintance from another state a foreigner just because decisions in DC are now made by state agreements rather than by a top-down system?
by Mkuki » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:33 am
make state elections meaningful
John Rawls wrote:In justice as fairness, the concept of right is prior to that of the good.
by Esternial » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:36 am
Mkuki wrote:make state elections meaningful
1. I don't think you understand the concept of federalism.
2. State elections have always been meaningful.
3. Why not just be straightforward about your "state's rights" position? It'd save a lot of time.
by New Octopucta » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:37 am
Vault 1 wrote:This shutdown applies to just that - the feds - not to actually vital state and local services.
by Vault 1 » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:39 am
Risottia wrote:Remove the federal government means removing common borders - as every State would have the prerogative of setting their own controls, border police, and regulations.
by Ifreann » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:39 am
Vault 1 wrote:What do you think - is this shutdown actually an opportunity in disguise?
by Dumb Ideologies » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:40 am
by Vault 1 » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:45 am
Mkuki wrote:1. I don't think you understand the concept of federalism.
by Risottia » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:45 am
What makes you think it would be any different in the United States?
The Feds are shut down right now; do you experience any trouble at state borders as a result?
If the shutdown is made permanent, the individual states aren't going to start building fences and checkpoints;
no one's interested in doing so.
Nothing is going to change in this regard; status quo will simply keep going on and required agreements will eventually be established.
by Petrovia- » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:51 am
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Why is there a "joke option" included in the poll when "yes" is already there?
by Vault 1 » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:52 am
Risottia wrote:There are non-Schengen countries inside the EU. And parties to the Schengen Agreement have the option to leave it, or to suspend it temporarily, without asking for anyone else's permit.
Risottia wrote:Tell that to the political parties who want to "keep the immigrants out". Now, place a State who has an anti-immigrant policy next to a State with open-borders policies. Tadaa!
by Havenburgh » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:52 am
by Marquette of Pacific » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:53 am
Havenburgh wrote:america is going to hit the default button, making it an hell hole, then become an bureaucracy. sucks to be you guys.
by Risottia » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:54 am
Risottia wrote:Tell that to the political parties who want to "keep the immigrants out". Now, place a State who has an anti-immigrant policy next to a State with open-borders policies. Tadaa!
At some point in the future, I guess they might.
And while I personally consider these anti-immigrant policies stupid, I don't see why shouldn't people who want to fence themselves off in a gated community have such an option.
by Risottia » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:55 am
Havenburgh wrote:america is going to hit the default button, making it an hell hole, then become an bureaucracy. sucks to be you guys.
by Socialist EU » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:59 am
Vault 1 wrote:Mkuki wrote:1. I don't think you understand the concept of federalism.
I do. I simply don't support it; confederacy is a better form of government for a country with the size and the political diversity of the United States.
And an extension of a fed shutdown would be a relatively realistic and painless transition scenario.
by Black Hand » Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:59 am
Puzikas wrote:You clearly don't know about the baby bald eagle built into each one.
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Why is there a "joke option" included in the poll when "yes" is already there?
Fordorsia wrote:Sight rib? Like a barbecue?
Fordorsia wrote:Why sell the restored weapons when you can keep them in a military-themed sex dungeon?
San-Silvacian wrote:Nothing says I love you like a fine Belgian firearm.
Bezombia wrote: "glorious discharge"
by Socialist EU » Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:03 am
Havenburgh wrote:america is going to hit the default button, making it an hell hole, then become an bureaucracy. sucks to be you guys.
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