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Mizrah
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Postby Mizrah » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:35 pm

Castration is ridiculous.

100 lashes shall do.
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Postby Blasveck » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:36 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
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And what Prussia is advocating is revenge.

Not justice.

Which makes things worse.

Just look at the recidivism rate of countries with rehabilitation and actual justice sytems.

All right.

Kill them right off the bat. Costs the price of one rope (which can probably be reused), and no chance of being a repeat offender.

That won't deter crime.
It, in some cases, would increase the victim's chance of being killed by their assaulter.
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Postby Hathradic States » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:36 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:Punishment is justice. Rehabilitation is not.


Because fun things like wrongful executions and recidivism never happens in red states unlike those dirty Eurosocialist countries.

No, they would happened. Punishment doesn't have to mean "killing", it means punishment.

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Postby Freelanderness » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:37 pm

No. Bad bill. Stop.

No violating other people's genitals. Not okay.
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Postby Primo Victoria » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:37 pm

Truth be told, I would support this bill if certain parameters were met. Assuming,

A. it was a punishment reserved for repeat offenders, or at least for particularly heinous cases.

and B. It be purely on a case by case basis, not across the board.

As it has previously been mentioned, there are cases where "Sexual Offender" is an unjust label, and in such cases castration would be wholly inappropriate. By the same token, there are also cases where the offender deserves more than the law currently allows, and I think we should have the power to deny them the ability to be a repeat offender.

Moreover, If modern medicine is applied, castration can be a relatively painless procedure, as such, I do not believe it can be considered "cruel and unusual" in a justice system that still uses the death penalty and life imprisonment.
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Postby Mizrah » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:38 pm

Freelanderness wrote:No. Bad bill. Stop.

No violating other people's genitals. Not okay.


Precisely. Crack out the whip.
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Postby Gauthier » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:39 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:All right.

Kill them right off the bat. Costs the price of one rope (which can probably be reused), and no chance of being a repeat offender.

That won't deter crime.
It, in some cases, would increase the victim's chance of being killed by their assaulter.


Because what better way to incentivise kiddy touchers to kill kids than give them a good reason to leave no witnesses alive?
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Postby Gauthier » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:40 pm

Primo Victoria wrote:Truth be told, I would support this bill if certain parameters were met. Assuming,

A. it was a punishment reserved for repeat offenders, or at least for particularly heinous cases.

and B. It be purely on a case by case basis, not across the board.

As it has previously been mentioned, there are cases where "Sexual Offender" is an unjust label, and in such cases castration would be wholly inappropriate. By the same token, there are also cases where the offender deserves more than the law currently allows, and I think we should have the power to deny them the ability to be a repeat offender.

Moreover, If modern medicine is applied, castration can be a relatively painless procedure, as such, I do not believe it can be considered "cruel and unusual" in a justice system that still uses the death penalty and life imprisonment.


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Postby Trelso » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:41 pm

Much like execution, this could only happen in a 'perfect' black and white world where no flaws could ever be made and no grey area existed.

We don't live in said world (...probably thankfully) and thus nope, not a realistic option. Too much potential for mistakes, false accusations etc, etc.

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Postby Scomagia » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:41 pm

This is fucking horrible! What if someone was falsely convicted and this happened to them? Barbaric!
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Postby Primo Victoria » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:42 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Primo Victoria wrote:Truth be told, I would support this bill if certain parameters were met. Assuming,

A. it was a punishment reserved for repeat offenders, or at least for particularly heinous cases.

and B. It be purely on a case by case basis, not across the board.

As it has previously been mentioned, there are cases where "Sexual Offender" is an unjust label, and in such cases castration would be wholly inappropriate. By the same token, there are also cases where the offender deserves more than the law currently allows, and I think we should have the power to deny them the ability to be a repeat offender.

Moreover, If modern medicine is applied, castration can be a relatively painless procedure, as such, I do not believe it can be considered "cruel and unusual" in a justice system that still uses the death penalty and life imprisonment.


"You piss in public, we chop your pee-pee off."


Who said anything about pissing?
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Postby Olthar » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:48 pm

I just had an epiphany. Maybe this is all an endurance game to the politicians. It's like, when two people live together, it becomes a contest to see who can tolerate a messy house the most, and whoever has the lower threshold for dirtiness gets forced to clean it up. That's what's happening here. Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats want to take responsibility for cleaning up America, so they keep fucking things up more until one of them buckles. I hope someone caves in soon. :(
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:49 pm

Olthar wrote:I just had an epiphany. Maybe this is all an endurance game to the politicians. It's like, when two people live together, it becomes a contest to see who can tolerate a messt house the most, and whoever has the lower threshold for dirtiness gets forced to clean it up. That's what's happening here. Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats want to take responsibility for cleaning up America, so they keep fucking things up more until one of them buckles. I hope someone caves in soon. :(


That... kinda sounds about right.
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Postby Verdum » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:51 pm

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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:54 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
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You're right. It is in no way proportionate.

Proportionate would be to have them fucked until they bleed, no?


Proportionate would be imprisoning them for a period and offering rehabilitation.

Because we're better than animals.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:54 pm

Verdum wrote::bow:
Take one mans dick, warn a hundred.


Err no, not even close.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:54 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:Proportionate would be to have them fucked until they bleed, no?


Proportionate would be imprisoning them for a period and offering rehabilitation.

Because we're better than animals.


Actually we ARE animals. We just can reason better than other animals.
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Postby ShellbyvilleHS » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:56 pm

I mean.. In all honesty... I'd say go for it and all...
But my moral compass is telling me to stop thinking like that.
(Can we do it to rapists too?)

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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:56 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
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Proportionate would be imprisoning them for a period and offering rehabilitation.

Because we're better than animals.


Actually we ARE animals. We just can reason better than other animals.


It's an idiom. Look them up.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:56 pm

ShellbyvilleHS wrote:I mean.. In all honesty... I'd say go for it and all...
But my moral compass is telling me to stop thinking like that.
(Can we do it to rapists too?)


No.

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Postby Gauthier » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:57 pm

Primo Victoria wrote:
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"You piss in public, we chop your pee-pee off."


Who said anything about pissing?


Sex laws Unjust and ineffective

Every American state keeps a register of sex offenders. California has had one since 1947, but most states started theirs in the 1990s. Many people assume that anyone listed on a sex-offender registry must be a rapist or a child molester. But most states spread the net much more widely. A report by Sarah Tofte of Human Rights Watch, a pressure group, found that at least five states required men to register if they were caught visiting prostitutes. At least 13 required it for urinating in public (in two of which, only if a child was present). No fewer than 29 states required registration for teenagers who had consensual sex with another teenager. And 32 states registered flashers and streakers.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
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Postby Scomagia » Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:04 pm

ShellbyvilleHS wrote:I mean.. In all honesty... I'd say go for it and all...
But my moral compass is telling me to stop thinking like that.
(Can we do it to rapists too?)

We shouldn't do it to anyone. By the way, you are HomoSexy yes?
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Postby The Free Kingdom of Proprius » Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:07 pm

Let them choose between castration and execution if you must.

As a man, I have to say that I value my manhood more than life itself. If I had the option I would die painfully, glad that my testicles are still intact.

Edit: What the fuck did I just write? I need to get off.
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Postby Hathradic States » Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:07 pm

ShellbyvilleHS wrote:I mean.. In all honesty... I'd say go for it and all...
But my moral compass is telling me to stop thinking like that.
(Can we do it to rapists too?)

Just remove legal protection from them. Problem solves itself.

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Postby Freelanderness » Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:08 pm

ShellbyvilleHS wrote:I mean.. In all honesty... I'd say go for it and all...
But my moral compass is telling me to stop thinking like that.
(Can we do it to rapists too?)

People can still cause sexual violence without a penis. It wouldn't stop them.
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