Bill that requires child molesters be castrated.

[Distruzio]

I didnt suggest the computer wouldnt work. I suggested the program may not work effectively. The program being the desire, drive, and obsession to commit offensive acts of a sexual nature. Effectively in the reduction of the desire, drive, and obsession to commit offensive acts of a sexual nature via hormonal reorientation alongside mental adaptation to the castration.

Once puberty is complete, neither the testes nor ovaries affect sexual desire as much as you would think. Lack of testes usually produces a general lathargy in men, sometimes debilitating, unless they get testosterone replacement. Which, of course, increases sex drive.

Now, define hormonal reorientation. Because it sounds awful.

I know precisely the degree to which male libido is affected by castration, which was the specific target of my commentary.

Hormonal reorientation is the term I used instead of "adjustment" to describe the bodies attempt to adapt to the sudden change in hormonal balance which can, as you describe, lead to some (severe in many cases) side effects necessitating other procedures or medications. I don't imagine it to be pleasant. But the benefits to society may outweigh the discomfort of these individuals.

After all, it's not like America has a problem (at all) with inconveniencing or, otherwise, discriminating against unpopular minorities.

[Imperializt Russia]

They already are.

My God.

Just when you see some fucked up shit, and you think that is the worst that can happen, you see something else that makes you lose whatever hope you were regaining in humanity. (General you's all around).

It's Cali.

The California eugenics programmes of the 20s and 30s inspired the Nuremberg Race Laws and other Nazi eugenics programmes directly.
Californian institutions funded fucking Mengele.

[Risottia]

What a wonderful piece of legislation. A true reflection of the ingenuity of the people of Alabama and their fine Education system.

I can't wait till they start using non consensual genital mutilation as a punishment for other types of crimes too. Perhaps even performing the "procedure" in town squares and on live TV for added punishment value!

They already are.

Excuse me while I vomit quietly in the corner.

[Ifreann]

They already are.

Excuse me while I vomit quietly in the corner.

As long as it's quietly.

[Marquette of Pacific]

I support this entirely. I honestly hope we're on the track to castrating rapists now too, not just child molesters.

[Threlizdun]

I support this entirely. I honestly hope we're on the track to castrating rapists now too, not just child molesters.

Cruel and unusual punishment for the purpose of revenge alone is unconstitutional, unjust, and inhuman.

[Imperializt Russia]

I support this entirely. I honestly hope we're on the track to castrating rapists now too, not just child molesters.

Why?
It solves nothing.

[Marquette of Pacific]

I support this entirely. I honestly hope we're on the track to castrating rapists now too, not just child molesters.

Cruel and unusual punishment for the purpose of revenge alone is unconstitutional, unjust, and inhuman.

It is not for revenge, I don't know where you got that impression. It is so they do not molest any other people. They have proven that they cannot be trusted with their.. parts.. and we must take them away from them.

[Risottia]

Cruel and unusual punishment for the purpose of revenge alone is unconstitutional, unjust, and inhuman.

It is not for revenge, I don't know where you got that impression. It is so they do not molest any other people.

Because you need testicles to molest people.

That's an F in Biology to you.

[Threlizdun]

Cruel and unusual punishment for the purpose of revenge alone is unconstitutional, unjust, and inhuman.

It is not for revenge, I don't know where you got that impression. It is so they do not molest any other people. They have proven that they cannot be trusted with their.. parts.. and we must take them away from them.

Castration does not prevent you from molesting others. All it does is deny the humanity of the imprisoned, which is the last thing we need for people we wish to make functioning members of society.

[Freelanderness]

It is not for revenge, I don't know where you got that impression. It is so they do not molest any other people. They have proven that they cannot be trusted with their.. parts.. and we must take them away from them.

Castration does not prevent you from molesting others. All it does is deny the humanity of the imprisoned, which is the last thing we need for people we wish to make functioning members of society.

Exactly. How can you teach someone else to value someone else's humanity when you strip them of their own?

[Vault 1]

Exactly. How can you teach someone else to value someone else's humanity when you strip them of their own?

Since when is the point teach the offenders to value someone else's humanity? We consider them beneath salvation and seek ways to deter the crime.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

Exactly. How can you teach someone else to value someone else's humanity when you strip them of their own?

Since when is the point teach the offenders to value someone else's humanity? We consider them beneath salvation and seek ways to deter the crime.

Only people who are part of the problem think like that.

[Zottistan]

I support this entirely. I honestly hope we're on the track to castrating rapists now too, not just child molesters.

Cruel and unusual punishment for the purpose of revenge alone is unconstitutional, unjust, and inhuman.

Not to mention remarkably stupid.

Exactly. How can you teach someone else to value someone else's humanity when you strip them of their own?

Since when is the point teach the offenders to value someone else's humanity? We consider them beneath salvation and seek ways to deter the crime.

You really think the people who commit these crime are forward-thinking enough to care about the consequences?

Obviously not, or they wouldn't do it.

[Seitonjin]

The justice system is not a system for vengence.

And castration is dumb and painful.

And rapists can be successfully rehabilitated no?

Also, this isn't the dark ages.

[Vault 1]

Only people who are part of the problem think like that.

The problem is lack of effort in prevention. The problem is that, as a society, instead of explaining our children that there's a real world outside, filled with good and bad people (who are impossible to tell from one another, as the same people are both at different times), ways in which these people and this world can hurt them, and what to do to avoid it, we try to keep them in a pink unicorn filled dreamland of innocence for as long as physically possible; usually well past the point when it's too late.

Changing the ways of our society is difficult and painful. Finding the guilty parties and exacting well-relished revenge is easier and in the end far more satisfying, as justice is then served, balance restored and everyone's happy.

[Rocopurr]

I am against this. It could be considered unconstitutional and is purely for revenge. It won't prevent further molestations nor work for female molesters.

Cruel and unusual punishment for the purpose of revenge alone is unconstitutional, unjust, and inhuman.

It is not for revenge, I don't know where you got that impression. It is so they do not molest any other people. They have proven that they cannot be trusted with their.. parts.. and we must take them away from them.

You can still molest someone even if you don't have testicles.

[Lemanrussland]

I support this entirely. I honestly hope we're on the track to castrating rapists now too, not just child molesters.

Why?
It solves nothing.

B-but it makes me feel better!

Put them all on the rack! *crank-crank-crank*

[Zottistan]

Changing the ways of our society is difficult and painful. Finding the guilty parties and exacting well-relished revenge is easier and in the end far more satisfying¹, as justice is then served², balance restored³ and everyone's happy⁴.

1. So you take satisfaction in castrating people? That's sick. If you said they deserved punishment, it would at least be reasonable, but nobody should ever enjoy inflicting a punishment like that. It's just obscene.
2. By who's standards of justice?
3. Sorry, where was there unbalance?...
4. Except the castrated criminal, the victims of the crime, and pretty much everybody who isn't morbidly sadistic.


Rehabilitating the criminals is more financially beneficial.

[Freelanderness]

Only people who are part of the problem think like that.

The problem is lack of effort in prevention. The problem is that, as a society, instead of explaining our children that there's a real world outside, filled with good and bad people (who are impossible to tell from one another, as the same people are both at different times), ways in which these people and this world can hurt them, and what to do to avoid it, we try to keep them in a pink unicorn filled dreamland of innocence for as long as physically possible; usually well past the point when it's too late.

Changing the ways of our society is difficult and painful. Finding the guilty parties and exacting well-relished revenge is easier and in the end far more satisfying, as justice is then served, balance restored and everyone's happy.

Ah, the ol' argument that some people are just "inherently bad".

Who has the audacity to judge another's soul? Who is without sin? I'm Jesus, and yet I'm still not pure enough to pass judgement.little joke

What defines sin? What creates a monster? Would the same person be so evil within different circumstances? Do we simply execute them in punishment for something they cannot change? Do we not become murderers then, and worthy of death ourselves?

Tch, such a dogmatic and self-aggrandizing philosophy.

[Vault 1]

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I think you have some difficulty distinguishing between what is said straight and what is in part sarcastic.
Although not entirely sarcasm, because it's almost entirely true to how most people think. Basic human nature. Vengeance is more satisfying than prevention.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

The problem is lack of effort in prevention. The problem is that, as a society, instead of explaining our children that there's a real world outside, filled with good and bad people (who are impossible to tell from one another, as the same people are both at different times), ways in which these people and this world can hurt them, and what to do to avoid it, we try to keep them in a pink unicorn filled dreamland of innocence for as long as physically possible; usually well past the point when it's too late.

Changing the ways of our society is difficult and painful. Finding the guilty parties and exacting well-relished revenge is easier and in the end far more satisfying, as justice is then served, balance restored and everyone's happy.

Ah, the ol' argument that some people are just "inherently bad".

Who has the audacity to judge another's soul? Who is without sin? I'm Jesus, and yet I'm still not pure enough to pass judgement.little joke

What defines sin? What creates a monster? Would the same person be so evil within different circumstances? Do we simply execute them in punishment for something they cannot change? Do we not become murderers then, and worthy of death ourselves?

Tch, such a dogmatic and self-aggrandizing philosophy.

Not to mention counter-productive. Positive outcomes are more important than making a bunch of people still in their emotional adolescence "feel good."

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

Basic human nature.

No such thing. The ethnographic record is quite clear on this.

[Vault 1]

No such thing. The ethnographic record is quite clear on this.

Show me a society that didn't revel in vengeance against its internal or external enemies.

[Zottistan]

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I think you have some difficulty distinguishing between what is said straight and what is in part sarcastic.
Although not entirely sarcasm, because it's almost entirely true to how most people think. Basic human nature. Vengeance is more satisfying than prevention.

Oh, so satisfaction is all that matters?

I guess that makes theft, rape, bestiality and assault ok. They satisfy the person doing it, after all.