Bill that requires child molesters be castrated.

[Imperializt Russia]

If people thought that rape, sexual assault and child molestation weren't wrong why was the BBC not rocked by an enormous scandal over the last few years regarded such attacks and the coverup surrounding them all?

The French Resistance operated in secret. All that means is that they're aware that other people think it's wrong. Which isn't the same as knowing that it is in fact actually wrong (if, as in the case of child molesting, it is).

Just like when someone who has stolen something tries to hide it, or who has killed someone, etc. Being aware that others think it is wrong, is not the same as accepting its wrongness oneself.

What the French Resistance did was objectively wrong. They killed and maimed and destroyed.

The critical difference between the French and other European Resistance networks and child molesters is that what the Resistance did was justifiable with clear goals.
Sexual assault, especially of children, is the perverse self-gratification by conquest or fraud.

[Velkanika]

If people thought that rape, sexual assault and child molestation weren't wrong why was the BBC not rocked by an enormous scandal over the last few years regarded such attacks and the coverup surrounding them all?

The French Resistance operated in secret. All that means is that they're aware that other people think it's wrong. Which isn't the same as knowing that it is in fact actually wrong (if, as in the case of child molesting, it is).

Just like when someone who has stolen something tries to hide it, or who has killed someone, etc. Being aware that others think it is wrong, is not the same as accepting its wrongness oneself.

What does the French Resistance have to do with this exactly? You want to try again without using a bad metaphor?

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

The French Resistance operated in secret. All that means is that they're aware that other people think it's wrong. Which isn't the same as knowing that it is in fact actually wrong (if, as in the case of child molesting, it is).

Just like when someone who has stolen something tries to hide it, or who has killed someone, etc. Being aware that others think it is wrong, is not the same as accepting its wrongness oneself.

What the French Resistance did was objectively wrong. They killed and maimed and destroyed.

The critical difference between the French and other European Resistance networks and child molesters is that what the Resistance did was justifiable with clear goals.
Sexual assault, especially of children, is the perverse self-gratification by conquest or fraud.

And those who engage in it don't realize that it is wrong. They might know that others think it is wrong, which is why they might try to hide it, but that's it.

[Blasveck]

What the French Resistance did was objectively wrong. They killed and maimed and destroyed.

The critical difference between the French and other European Resistance networks and child molesters is that what the Resistance did was justifiable with clear goals.
Sexual assault, especially of children, is the perverse self-gratification by conquest or fraud.

And those who engage in it don't realize that it is wrong. They might know that others think it is wrong, which is why they might try to hide it, but that's it.

Yes, they do.

They're not children.

[Sedikal]

It's against the 8th amendment as well as just turning the law system into a revenge scheme. Justice system is ment for people to be punished not for revenge.

[Imperializt Russia]

What the French Resistance did was objectively wrong. They killed and maimed and destroyed.

The critical difference between the French and other European Resistance networks and child molesters is that what the Resistance did was justifiable with clear goals.
Sexual assault, especially of children, is the perverse self-gratification by conquest or fraud.

And those who engage in it don't realize that it is wrong. They might know that others think it is wrong, which is why they might try to hide it, but that's it.

Fucking what, son.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

And those who engage in it don't realize that it is wrong. They might know that others think it is wrong, which is why they might try to hide it, but that's it.

Yes, they do.

They're not children.

Being an adult does not mean that one knows everything.

[Velkanika]

What the French Resistance did was objectively wrong. They killed and maimed and destroyed.

The critical difference between the French and other European Resistance networks and child molesters is that what the Resistance did was justifiable with clear goals.
Sexual assault, especially of children, is the perverse self-gratification by conquest or fraud.

And those who engage in it don't realize that it is wrong. They might know that others think it is wrong, which is why they might try to hide it, but that's it.

I believe that in order to not believe it to be evil you'd have to be insane. That said, castrating them is the wrong approach. Lifetime commitment to an insane asylum works just fine and avoids all the ethical issues. It'll also give us data on why they think the way they do, which is useful for catching and treating possible offenders early.

[Hathradic States]

Yes, they do.

They're not children.

Being an adult does not mean that one knows everything.

Look, I knew from a really young age that touching somebody without them consenting is Very Bad. Now, there might be a few truly deranged individuals who don't know. However, many do know, which is why they try to cover it up in the first damn place.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

And those who engage in it don't realize that it is wrong. They might know that others think it is wrong, which is why they might try to hide it, but that's it.

I believe that in order to not believe it to be evil you'd have to be insane. That said, castrating them is the wrong approach. Lifetime commitment to an insane asylum works just fine and avoids all the ethical issues. It'll also give us data on why they think the way they do, which is useful for catching and treating possible offenders early.

Calling them "insane" dehumanizes them unnecessarily. Some may indeed have mental illness (and even that is correctable, and once treated there's no reason to keep holding on to them); but for others it's simply a failure of the moral education they received in their youth--correct that failure, teach them the stuff they should have learned earlier but didn't, and they'll be good to go.

[Neutraligon]

So what happens to female offenders?

[Hathradic States]

So what happens to female offenders?

Female circumcision?

[Blasveck]

Yes, they do.

They're not children.

Being an adult does not mean that one knows everything.

It does mean the one is usually conscious and aware of their actions.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

Being an adult does not mean that one knows everything.

Look, I knew from a really young age that touching somebody without them consenting is Very Bad.

I knew from a really young age how to read. For those who are adults and don't yet know how to read, do we blame them or do we blame the shortcomings of the system that tried and failed to educate them?

Moral education is no different from practical or academic education. It's something that has to be learned, and we've found a system that works great (or well enough) for the vast majority of people, but there are a few edge cases who, through no fault of their own, the current system and methods of moral education can't quite reach. It's on us to find a method of teaching them that respects their dignity as human beings, since it's not their fault the existing general methods weren't suitable for them.

[The Floor Kippers]

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. There is nothing cruel and unusual about it.

Ahh, but carry on that way and we'll all be blind and toothless.

Supposing 10 years after, it's found the accused was innocent?

[Neutraligon]

So what happens to female offenders?

Female circumcision?

That is an very dangerous procedure

[Velkanika]

I believe that in order to not believe it to be evil you'd have to be insane. That said, castrating them is the wrong approach. Lifetime commitment to an insane asylum works just fine and avoids all the ethical issues. It'll also give us data on why they think the way they do, which is useful for catching and treating possible offenders early.

Calling them "insane" dehumanizes them unnecessarily. Some may indeed have mental illness (and even that is correctable, and once treated there's no reason to keep holding on to them); but for others it's simply a failure of the moral education they received in their youth--correct that failure, teach them the stuff they should have learned earlier but didn't, and they'll be good to go.

They did receive that education and yet choose to violate it, hence why they cover it up. If they didn't know better then they'd just do it, which is what the insane ones do.

[Melfar]

So what happens to female offenders?

Female circumcision?

And here we go with the ban circumcision law...
But yeah, what do you do? People say male circumcision is bad, how about female? Damn...

[Hathradic States]

Look, I knew from a really young age that touching somebody without them consenting is Very Bad.

I knew from a really young age how to read. For those who are adults and don't yet know how to read, do we blame them or do we blame the shortcomings of the system that tried and failed to educate them?

Moral education is no different from practical or academic education. It's something that has to be learned, and we've found a system that works great (or well enough) for the vast majority of people, but there are a few edge cases who, through no fault of their own, the current system and methods of moral education can't quite reach. It's on us to find a method of teaching them that respects their dignity as human beings, since it's not their fault the existing general methods weren't suitable for them.

I love how you ignore the rest of my post. Seriously, for the love of the fucking God I don't believe in, if they don't know it is wrong, why do they try to cover it up? If you can explain that, I might accept that they didn't know it was wrong. Problem being, you can't. And, clearly won't. Man up and answer the fucking question: If they didn't know it was wrong, why do they cover it up?

[Hathradic States]

Female circumcision?

That is an very dangerous procedure

I wasn't serious, obviously.

Female circumcision?

And here we go with the ban circumcision law...
But yeah, what do you do? People say male circumcision is bad, how about female? Damn...

I wasn't serious, but on this note: circumcision argument is overrated.

[Indira]

While a part of me actually likes the idea, it makes me feel uncomfortable to say the least. Then again, if the purpose of the criminal system is to prevent it happening again...you have a 0% re-offending rate. Then again, so does the Death Penalty and I'm not keen on that either

[Imperializt Russia]

So what happens to female offenders?

Female circumcision?

That's not what female castration is.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

I knew from a really young age how to read. For those who are adults and don't yet know how to read, do we blame them or do we blame the shortcomings of the system that tried and failed to educate them?

Moral education is no different from practical or academic education. It's something that has to be learned, and we've found a system that works great (or well enough) for the vast majority of people, but there are a few edge cases who, through no fault of their own, the current system and methods of moral education can't quite reach. It's on us to find a method of teaching them that respects their dignity as human beings, since it's not their fault the existing general methods weren't suitable for them.

I love how you ignore the rest of my post.

I ignored it because I've addressed literally that exact matter at least twice already in this very thread.

[Hathradic States]

Female circumcision?

That's not what female castration is.

Again: wasn't serious.

[Hathradic States]

I love how you ignore the rest of my post.

I ignored it because I've addressed literally that exact matter at least twice already in this very thread.

then you can explain again no problem, da?