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Postby Hathradic States » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:48 pm

Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:These people deserve death for their crimes,

No, they don't. Since they can't reasonably be blamed (because they didn't know any better; otherwise they wouldn't have done it, since all people are fundamentally good), they deserve the same love and compassion we give to everyone else.

Yes, yes they can. All but a few, truly insane people know that touching little kids is fucked up.

And what bullshit is this? People are fundamentally scum, incapable of compassion.

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Postby Benuty » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:49 pm

I say we let the San Francisco Penitentiary Zone (SFPZ) deal with them and be done with it.
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Postby Starkiller101 » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:49 pm

Freelanderness wrote:
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It doesnt change that their kid got messed up

Neither does castration.

You can't "un-rape" or "un-abuse".
I think we are well aware of that
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Postby New Acardia » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:50 pm

The Republic of East WA wrote:
New acardia wrote:What about what did to the child ? I am perfectly fine w ith it .
It does not require a axe to chop the molester's organ off.

You can eventually recover from being raped, you can't from being casterated.

You don't want to be castrated then don't rape children.It is that simple. Don't turn the molester in to the victim.
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Postby Franklin Delano Bluth » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:51 pm

New acardia wrote:
The Republic of East WA wrote:You can eventually recover from being raped, you can't from being casterated.

You don't want to be castrated then don't rape children.It is that simple. Don't turn the molester in to the victim.


When you're treating him like that, he is indeed a victim, and you're part of the problem.
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Postby Vault 1 » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:55 pm

Benuty wrote:I say we let the San Francisco Penitentiary Zone (SFPZ) deal with them and be done with it.

I propose we buy out and restore Treblinka.

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Postby Blasveck » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:55 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:No, they don't. Since they can't reasonably be blamed (because they didn't know any better; otherwise they wouldn't have done it, since all people are fundamentally good), they deserve the same love and compassion we give to everyone else.

Yes, yes they can. All but a few, truly insane people know that touching little kids is fucked up.

And what bullshit is this? People are fundamentally scum, incapable of compassion.


I hope you know that Bluth has a reputation of not actually supporting his arguments.

And repeating the same ones over and over.
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Postby Franklin Delano Bluth » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:56 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:Yes, yes they can. All but a few, truly insane people know that touching little kids is fucked up.

And what bullshit is this? People are fundamentally scum, incapable of compassion.


I hope you know that Bluth has a reputation of not actually supporting his arguments.

This is false. I support them just fine; it's just that they require critical thinking skills to grasp, which people don't want to engage in.
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Postby Benuty » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:56 pm

Vault 1 wrote:
Benuty wrote:I say we let the San Francisco Penitentiary Zone (SFPZ) deal with them and be done with it.

I propose we buy out and restore Treblinka.

Lets not and say we didn't.
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Postby Miyager » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:56 pm

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Postby New Acardia » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:57 pm

Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
New acardia wrote:You don't want to be castrated then don't rape children.It is that simple. Don't turn the molester in to the victim.


When you're treating him like that, he is indeed a victim, and you're part of the problem.

The molester brought it on them selves by rapeing children.
And I have to ask are the views you put on NS your real views or you are you spoofing ?
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Postby Prophecy Of Astraia » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:57 pm

Why are racism and child molesting the only sins of New Age atheists. No atheist has ever given me a good reason why anything is a sin in their religion. If there was no god then there is no real truth and there is no right and wrong. Why should only child molesters have to pay for their sin? Shouldn't adulterers and fornicators also have to pay? That would be fulfilling the dream of the Star Maiden.

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Postby Franklin Delano Bluth » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:57 pm

New acardia wrote:
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
When you're treating him like that, he is indeed a victim, and you're part of the problem.

The molester brought it on them selves by rapeing children.

He didn't know any better; otherwise he wouldn't have done it.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:57 pm

Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:These people deserve death for their crimes,

No, they don't. Since they can't reasonably be blamed (because they didn't know any better; otherwise they wouldn't have done it, since all people are fundamentally good), they deserve the same love and compassion we give to everyone else.

This is not a phrase that describes the vast majority of sexual offenders.
Many of them are fully aware of what they are doing.
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Postby Blasveck » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:57 pm

Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
I hope you know that Bluth has a reputation of not actually supporting his arguments.

This is false. I support them just fine; it's just that they require critical thinking skills to grasp, which people don't want to engage in.


When people ask you to prove that people are fundamentally good, the burden of proof is on you, since you made the claim.
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Postby Franklin Delano Bluth » Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:00 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:No, they don't. Since they can't reasonably be blamed (because they didn't know any better; otherwise they wouldn't have done it, since all people are fundamentally good), they deserve the same love and compassion we give to everyone else.

This is not a phrase that describes the vast majority of sexual offenders.
Many of them are fully aware of what they are doing.

Knowing what you're doing isn't the same thing as knowing that it's wrong.

Neither, for that matter, is knowing that other people think it is wrong.
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Postby Hathradic States » Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:00 pm

Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
I hope you know that Bluth has a reputation of not actually supporting his arguments.

This is false. I support them just fine; it's just that they require critical thinking skills to grasp, which people don't want to engage in.

Is your support Disney movies, where all the villain needs is a little love and huggles to be a perfect person?

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Postby Franklin Delano Bluth » Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:00 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:This is false. I support them just fine; it's just that they require critical thinking skills to grasp, which people don't want to engage in.


When people ask you to prove that people are fundamentally good, the burden of proof is on you, since you made the claim.


It's self-explanatory. It'd be like asking me to prove that 1+1=2.
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Postby Hathradic States » Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:02 pm

Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
When people ask you to prove that people are fundamentally good, the burden of proof is on you, since you made the claim.


It's self-explanatory. It'd be like asking me to prove that 1+1=2.

No, its not, not by any means. In fact, most evidence leans towards the opposite. You know, with world wars, genocide, rape, murder, and the existence of Justin Beiber.

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Postby The Republic of East WA » Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:02 pm

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Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:These people deserve death for their crimes,

No, they don't. Since they can't reasonably be blamed (because they didn't know any better; otherwise they wouldn't have done it, since all people are fundamentally good), they deserve the same love and compassion we give to everyone else.

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Postby DesAnges » Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:03 pm

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DesAnges wrote:What about the poor git that has it happen because he was wrongly convicted? Acceptable collateral?


Must we always weigh the severity of the punishment against the possibility of innocence? That to me says more about the failings of our legal system than the ethical and moral consequences of severer penalties for committing crimes. In and of itself I don't think it's a valid argument against stronger convictions. Any punishment has a risk of falling upon innocent shoulders. That's no reason not to increase the punishment, but it is a reason to maintain the balance by making sure as little reasonable doubt as possible is involved in such strong convictions.

What is wrong with putting the motherfuckers in jail? Seriously. We don't have to kill them, we don't have to maim them, we don't have to physically do anything to them except keep them in a room that has four walls and a door.
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Postby Blasveck » Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:04 pm

Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
When people ask you to prove that people are fundamentally good, the burden of proof is on you, since you made the claim.


It's self-explanatory. It'd be like asking me to prove that 1+1=2.


It's not.

You have to prove that axiom before you go any further.

Psychological, social, and historical papers would be good for starters.
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Postby The Republic of East WA » Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:05 pm

New acardia wrote:
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
When you're treating him like that, he is indeed a victim, and you're part of the problem.

The molester brought it on them selves by rapeing children.
And I have to ask are the views you put on NS your real views or you are you spoofing ?

How about this little loophole. Here if a 16 year old boy has sex with a 15 yr old girl he is a child molester. Should you be castrated for that?

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:06 pm

Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:This is not a phrase that describes the vast majority of sexual offenders.
Many of them are fully aware of what they are doing.

Knowing what you're doing isn't the same thing as knowing that it's wrong.

Neither, for that matter, is knowing that other people think it is wrong.

If people thought that rape, sexual assault and child molestation weren't wrong why was the BBC not rocked by an enormous scandal over the last few years regarded such attacks and the coverup surrounding them all?
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Postby Franklin Delano Bluth » Tue Oct 15, 2013 1:10 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:Knowing what you're doing isn't the same thing as knowing that it's wrong.

Neither, for that matter, is knowing that other people think it is wrong.

If people thought that rape, sexual assault and child molestation weren't wrong why was the BBC not rocked by an enormous scandal over the last few years regarded such attacks and the coverup surrounding them all?


The French Resistance operated in secret. All that means is that they're aware that other people think it's wrong. Which isn't the same as knowing that it is in fact actually wrong (if, as in the case of child molesting, it is).

Just like when someone who has stolen something tries to hide it, or who has killed someone, etc. Being aware that others think it is wrong, is not the same as accepting its wrongness oneself.
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