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Postby Hathradic States » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:25 pm

Freelanderness wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:And I firmly believe that rehabilitation does no solace to the victim.

To ensure that the predator has never the opportunity to re-offend is grand solace indeed.

True, but even successful rehabilitation leaves the possibility of it happening again.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:26 pm

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Freelanderness wrote:To ensure that the predator has never the opportunity to re-offend is grand solace indeed.

True, but even successful rehabilitation leaves the possibility of it happening again.

Castration doesn't prevent this either and is arguably a far less successful "treatment", if it can so be called.
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Postby Freelanderness » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:27 pm

Flaxxony wrote:
Freelanderness wrote:To ensure that the predator has never the opportunity to re-offend is grand solace indeed.


It doesnt change that their kid got messed up

Neither does castration.

You can't "un-rape" or "un-abuse".
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Postby Hathradic States » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:28 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:True, but even successful rehabilitation leaves the possibility of it happening again.

Castration doesn't prevent this either and is arguably a far less successful "treatment", if it can so be called.

I don't believe int he castration of them, you know. I just believe in letting them rot in prison.

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Postby Okinagano » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:32 pm

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Postby The Republic of East WA » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:33 pm

No no no. I hate when people bring this kind of shit up. As someone said earlier there is already enough guilt in turning them in. I have both had it happen and been accused, and it destroys your life. Rapists need treatment and rehabilitation. Oh and we shouldn't treat people who admit to having a rape fantasy like a criminal. They need mental help just the same, whether its a boy or girl.

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Postby Hathradic States » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:34 pm

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Yay. You can quote Ghandi. Something people have been doing since the traitor died. Please, contribute with something original.

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Postby The Republic of East WA » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:34 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Castration doesn't prevent this either and is arguably a far less successful "treatment", if it can so be called.

I don't believe int he castration of them, you know. I just believe in letting them rot in prison.

I like the Butner method. They start out in prison, then if they show improvement they switch to a mental hospital.

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Postby Murbleflip » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:35 pm

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Doesn't it just take away the whole world's depth perception?
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Postby Eaglleia » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:36 pm

Chemical castration is okay, I guess, but surgical castration is waaay too far. How bout no.

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Postby Franklin Delano Bluth » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:36 pm

The Republic of East WA wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:I don't believe int he castration of them, you know. I just believe in letting them rot in prison.

I like the Butner method. They start out in prison, then if they show improvement they switch to a mental hospital.


I like the love method. Instead of going to prison, if they have a demonstrated tendency to hurt others they go to a secure but very comfortable and pleasant facility where they are treated with love and compassion while they are taught why it is that what they did was wrong and how they can avoid doing it in the future, so that they can then go on and get on with their lives.
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Postby Thama » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:37 pm

No... Just... No...

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

How about you just keep them in prison for longer, like, for life. Or beat the shit out of them every day for the rest of their lives. Just don't chop their balls off.
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Postby Hathradic States » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:40 pm

Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
The Republic of East WA wrote:I like the Butner method. They start out in prison, then if they show improvement they switch to a mental hospital.


I like the love method. Instead of going to prison, if they have a demonstrated tendency to hurt others they go to a secure but very comfortable and pleasant facility where they are treated with love and compassion while they are taught why it is that what they did was wrong and how they can avoid doing it in the future, so that they can then go on and get on with their lives.

Why give them a better life if they broke the law?

Let them rot for life in a dark cell.

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Postby Franklin Delano Bluth » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:40 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Castration doesn't prevent this either and is arguably a far less successful "treatment", if it can so be called.

I don't believe int he castration of them, you know. I just believe in letting them rot in prison.

Then you're part of the problem.
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Postby Franklin Delano Bluth » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:41 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
I like the love method. Instead of going to prison, if they have a demonstrated tendency to hurt others they go to a secure but very comfortable and pleasant facility where they are treated with love and compassion while they are taught why it is that what they did was wrong and how they can avoid doing it in the future, so that they can then go on and get on with their lives.

Why give them a better life if they broke the law?

Let them rot for life in a dark cell.


Because I'm interested in treating people as they deserve, and in creating positive outcomes rather than fulfilling barbaric, adolescent revenge fantasies.
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Postby Draakonite » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:42 pm

Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:Why give them a better life if they broke the law?

Let them rot for life in a dark cell.


Because I'm interested in treating people as they deserve, and in creating positive outcomes rather than fulfilling barbaric, adolescent revenge fantasies.


Tell me if your jail is successfull, after you opened it.

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Postby Hathradic States » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:42 pm

Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:I don't believe int he castration of them, you know. I just believe in letting them rot in prison.

Then you're part of the problem.

They are clearly a problem for society. Locking them away curbs the problem.

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Postby Hathradic States » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:43 pm

Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
Hathradic States wrote:Why give them a better life if they broke the law?

Let them rot for life in a dark cell.


Because I'm interested in treating people as they deserve, and in creating positive outcomes rather than fulfilling barbaric, adolescent revenge fantasies.

These people deserve death for their crimes, but we know killing them would accomplish nothing. So, lock them away.

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Postby Thama » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:43 pm

Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
The Republic of East WA wrote:I like the Butner method. They start out in prison, then if they show improvement they switch to a mental hospital.


I like the love method. Instead of going to prison, if they have a demonstrated tendency to hurt others they go to a secure but very comfortable and pleasant facility where they are treated with love and compassion while they are taught why it is that what they did was wrong and how they can avoid doing it in the future, so that they can then go on and get on with their lives.


The love method wouldn't work on people like me. Of course, I've never committed any crimes aside from riding the bike across pedestrian crossings instead of getting off it x3
See, some people would use the Love method to commit crimes and then live in comfort for a while, get out and do it again. Or worse, do crimes to get in the facility, as a reward analog.
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Postby Kaztropol » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:43 pm

What about an offender that is underage when the offence takes place, and the offence only comes to light a decade or so later, such that the offender is then over 21 ?

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Postby New Acardia » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:43 pm

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America Libertaria wrote:An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. There is nothing cruel and unusual about it.

There is nothing cruel and usual about CASTRATING someone?
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What about what did to the child ? I am perfectly fine with it .
It does not require a axe to chop the molester's organ off.
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Postby Blasveck » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:43 pm

Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
The Republic of East WA wrote:I like the Butner method. They start out in prison, then if they show improvement they switch to a mental hospital.


I like the love method. Instead of going to prison, if they have a demonstrated tendency to hurt others they go to a secure but very comfortable and pleasant facility where they are treated with love and compassion while they are taught why it is that what they did was wrong and how they can avoid doing it in the future, so that they can then go on and get on with their lives.


That's extremely condescending.
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Postby The Republic of East WA » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:43 pm

Eaglleia wrote:Chemical castration is okay, I guess, but surgical castration is waaay too far. How bout no.

No its not. Wouldn't a rapist use a condom so there is less DNA evidence? Chemical castration is a lifelong punishment for one mistake.

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Postby The Republic of East WA » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:45 pm

New acardia wrote:
Genivaria wrote:There is nothing cruel and usual about CASTRATING someone?
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What about what did to the child ? I am perfectly fine with it .
It does not require a axe to chop the molester's organ off.

You can eventually recover from being raped, you can't from being castrated.

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Postby Franklin Delano Bluth » Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:46 pm

Hathradic States wrote:
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
Because I'm interested in treating people as they deserve, and in creating positive outcomes rather than fulfilling barbaric, adolescent revenge fantasies.

These people deserve death for their crimes,

No, they don't. Since they can't reasonably be blamed (because they didn't know any better; otherwise they wouldn't have done it, since all people are fundamentally good), they deserve the same love and compassion we give to everyone else.
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