Bill that requires child molesters be castrated.

[Starkiller101]

Holy crap they have to get there testes cut man i feel bad for them even if they molsted a child but then again i say this is a good idea

[Distruzio]

Yes. Did my statement suggest otherwise?

Then explain, since the software (the brain) and hardware (let you figure that out) still work perfectly, how the computer will no longer work?

I didnt suggest the computer wouldnt work. I suggested the program may not work effectively. The program being the desire, drive, and obsession to commit offensive acts of a sexual nature. Effectively in the reduction of the desire, drive, and obsession to commit offensive acts of a sexual nature via hormonal reorientation alongside mental adaptation to the castration.

[Jamzmania]

I find it kind of funny, really. I'm not gonna feel bad for any child molester who gets castrated.

[DesAnges]

I find it kind of funny, really. I'm not gonna feel bad for any child molester who gets castrated.

What about the poor git that has it happen because he was wrongly convicted? Acceptable collateral?

[Vault 1]

We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices, often not felt to be such by those concerned, to prevent our being swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes.

[Galloism]

Claiming it will "reduce" it is a form of assertion of some level of preventive quality to the measure.

At what point was the post you quoted unclear as to my meaning? I asked how this law does not reaffirm the public trust as an implied corollary to why it is offensive.

You said it can "help" both potential victims and victimizers.

If it has no preventative quality, and doesn't change the severity of the crimes, how exactly does it "help" victims? How does forced castration "help" victimizers?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices, often not felt to be such by those concerned, to prevent our being swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes.

Then we should castrate everyone.

I have my own reasons for proposing this: an animal as unfit as ours to take care of our world should not be reproducing, therefore we should just castrate every male in the planet. This way we are encouraging for nature to follow its course without humans.

[Jamzmania]

I find it kind of funny, really. I'm not gonna feel bad for any child molester who gets castrated.

What about the poor git that has it happen because he was wrongly convicted? Acceptable collateral?

"We shouldn't do anything ever in the justice system because someone might get wrongfully convicted."

I don't think I've heard of any child molester getting wrongfully convicted.

[Lordieth]

I find it kind of funny, really. I'm not gonna feel bad for any child molester who gets castrated.

What about the poor git that has it happen because he was wrongly convicted? Acceptable collateral?

Must we always weigh the severity of the punishment against the possibility of innocence? That to me says more about the failings of our legal system than the ethical and moral consequences of severer penalties for committing crimes. In and of itself I don't think it's a valid argument against stronger convictions. Any punishment has a risk of falling upon innocent shoulders. That's no reason not to increase the punishment, but it is a reason to maintain the balance by making sure as little reasonable doubt as possible is involved in such strong convictions.

[Galloism]

Then explain, since the software (the brain) and hardware (let you figure that out) still work perfectly, how the computer will no longer work?

I didnt suggest the computer wouldnt work. I suggested the program may not work effectively. The program being the desire, drive, and obsession to commit offensive acts of a sexual nature. Effectively in the reduction of the desire, drive, and obsession to commit offensive acts of a sexual nature via hormonal reorientation alongside mental adaptation to the castration.

Once puberty is complete, neither the testes nor ovaries affect sexual desire as much as you would think. Lack of testes usually produces a general lathargy in men, sometimes debilitating, unless they get testosterone replacement. Which, of course, increases sex drive.

Now, define hormonal reorientation. Because it sounds awful.

[Galborg]

Hang the rapists. If they don't have dicks, they will just rape children with broken bottles or whatever.

Recidivism rates for sex offenders are lower than any other crime except murder.

Are you sure? Source, please.

[Galloism]

What about the poor git that has it happen because he was wrongly convicted? Acceptable collateral?

"We shouldn't do anything ever in the justice system because someone might get wrongfully convicted."

I don't think I've heard of any child molester getting wrongfully convicted.

It happens.

Somewhat infrequently, sure, but still, permanent mutilation is uncorrectable

[Starkiller101]

So basically this is the humans version of nurturing

[Risottia]

Must we always weigh the severity of the punishment against the possibility of innocence?

When we're talking definitive, totally non-amendable punishments such as death penalty or mutilation? Yes.

[Regenburg]

Just cut their dicks and ask for 500.000$.If no,jail until you die.
is it so hard?

[Lordieth]

Must we always weigh the severity of the punishment against the possibility of innocence?

When we're talking definitive, totally non-amendable punishments such as death penalty or mutilation? Yes.

Then to me, that sounds like the argument should be "We need to be sure they're guilty" rather than "We shouldn't do this because they may be innocent".

Of course that's not an argument for capital punishment, but at the same time it shouldn't be an excuse not to increase the severity of punishment in absolutely all cases. The reason I'm against castration and capital punishment is because I think they're barbaric and aren't really going to prevent crimes, so I question their effective ability at reducing crime rates. Keeping someone locked up for life, while more expensive, is just as effective as capital punishment on those terms.

[Risottia]

When we're talking definitive, totally non-amendable punishments such as death penalty or mutilation? Yes.

Then to me, that sounds like the argument should be "We need to be sure they're guilty" rather than "We shouldn't do this because they may be innocent".

I assure you I meant the latter instead.

Keeping someone locked up for life, while more expensive, is just as effective as capital punishment on those terms.

Agreed 99%. The 1% being that, iirc, at least in the US the cost of a death sentence exceeds the cost of a life sentence.

[Lordieth]

Then to me, that sounds like the argument should be "We need to be sure they're guilty" rather than "We shouldn't do this because they may be innocent".

I assure you I meant the latter instead.

No problem. I knew that's what you meant. I was just expanding upon it. It was more of a continuation to DesAnges's post.

Keeping someone locked up for life, while more expensive, is just as effective as capital punishment on those terms.

Agreed 99%. The 1% being that, iirc, at least in the US the cost of a death sentence exceeds the cost of a life sentence.

I suppose it's also because prisoners can contribute in the US penal system by providing labour and manufacturing. This just compounds the argument why capital punishment is ineffective.

[Risottia]

Just cut their dicks and ask for 500.000$.If no,jail until you die.
is it so hard?

It depends on whose dick you're talking about.

[Tsuntion]

We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices, often not felt to be such by those concerned, to prevent our being swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes.

It is already possible for the government to remove children from those deemed unfit to be parents. However, I don't see any reason to assume some people have a genetic predisposition to molest others, so what good will "preventing them from continuing their kind" do?

[Lordieth]

We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices, often not felt to be such by those concerned, to prevent our being swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes.

It is already possible for the government to remove children from those deemed unfit to be parents. However, I don't see any reason to assume some people have a genetic predisposition to molest others, so what good will "preventing them from continuing their kind" do?

Isn't there some evidence that the abused are more likely to become abusers themselves? While not a predisposition in the genetic sense, there's still the possibility of abuse being passed one from one generation to the next.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It is already possible for the government to remove children from those deemed unfit to be parents. However, I don't see any reason to assume some people have a genetic predisposition to molest others, so what good will "preventing them from continuing their kind" do?

Isn't there some evidence that the abused are more likely to become abusers themselves? While not a predisposition in the genetic sense, there's still the possibility of abuse being passed one from one generation to the next.

That there may be a potential correlation? Yes. That this is the case with everyone who has ever been abused? No.

I've met people who have been raped as children/teens, they don't want to rape anyone.

[Lordieth]

Isn't there some evidence that the abused are more likely to become abusers themselves? While not a predisposition in the genetic sense, there's still the possibility of abuse being passed one from one generation to the next.

That there may be a potential correlation? Yes. That this is the case with everyone who has ever been abused? No.

I've met people who have been raped as children/teens, they don't want to rape anyone.

I certainly wasn't suggesting it is anything more than a predisposition, much in the sense that genetics can also increase risks for certain diseases or conditions. Which is a strong argument for breaking cycles of abuse to reduce that risk.

[Vault 1]

It is already possible for the government to remove children from those deemed unfit to be parents. However, I don't see any reason to assume some people have a genetic predisposition to molest others, so what good will "preventing them from continuing their kind" do?

Well, it's a direct quote from US Supreme Court deciding on the matter of forced castration.

[God Kefka]

GOP Rep. introduces bill that would require castration for child molesters

One of the most disturbing acts one can do is sexually molest a child. In one state, a drastic punishment is being presented that is seen as controversial by many.

No matter what side of the political aisle you stand on, there is no debating the actions of an adult taking advantage of an innocent child. When a person is tried and convicted, the punishment should fit the crime. In Alabama, Republican state Rep. Steve Hurst has re-introduced a bill that would require child sexual molesters over the age of 21 to be surgically castrated before they are released from prison.

Hurst's bill would also require that the felon be required and obligated for 100 percent of the medical cost. The bill is being submitted for the 2014 legislative session after failing to make it out of the committee in 2013. According to CNN, "at least" nine states have laws involving chemical castration for child sex offenders.

"At least nine U.S. states, including California, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, Louisiana, Montana, Oregon, Texas and Wisconsin have versions of chemical castration in their laws. It's unclear how frequently chemical castration is used in the United States."
Amnesty International was quick to criticize chemical castration and described it as "inhuman treatment," but others aren't so quick to take a stand against it. The bill will be brought up for considering, but it is not known how well it will fair moving forward.

http://www.examiner.com/article/gop-rep ... -molesters

Ok first off I wanna make clear that there is a difference between saying something vicious in anger when you're emotional (guilty) and actually trying to make something vicious into law.
That said I personally am very uncomfortable with this idea and see it as monstrous in nature, and there's the fact that would likely count as 'cruel and unusual punishment'.
Thoughts?

No. I don't think there should be an officially sexual element to our criminal justice system... not that I'm into that I'm into that sort of thing but... these Republicans sometimes...