Bill that requires child molesters be castrated.

[Scomagia]

Imprisonment without an attempt at rehabilitation is equally unreasonable.

However, it is much more expensive, and has a much higher chance of failure.

Source?

[Fartsniffage]

Rights and legal protection are slightly different things. Losing the right to vote and own firearms is one thing, outlawry is quite another.

How are they different?

Losing the right to vote and own a firearm means you can't own a firearm or vote. Outlawry means that anyone can beat, rape or kill you without repercussion.

[Hathradic States]

Rights and legal protection are slightly different things. Losing the right to vote and own firearms is one thing, outlawry is quite another.

How are they different?

Rights mean you can't vote, own a gun, or leave the county

Losing legal protection means you can be killed and no one will give two shits.

[United Marxist Nations]

However, it is much more expensive, and has a much higher chance of failure.

Source?

Castration would have a zero percent chance of failure, I would think; as opposed to this for rehabilitation:

Statistics show that 30% of adult offenders released from state prisons are re-arrested within the first six months of their release. Even worse, within three years of their release from prison this increases to 67%, or two out of three, ex-offenders returning to prison.* Sadly, revocations are the fastest growing category of prison admissions. Parole violators now account for 35% of new prison admissions as compared to only 17% in 1980.**

http://www.justice.gov/usao/als/rei.html

[New Kourt]

Child molestation is a mental disorder, these people are sick and their is no way to cure this. It has been shown that in some cases it is a one time thing and in others it is an ongoing obsession. I propose a mandatory law be put in place to present a choice. Life at a mental health institute or castration to be released after time is served.

[United Marxist Nations]

How are they different?

Losing the right to vote and own a firearm means you can't own a firearm or vote. Outlawry means that anyone can beat, rape or kill you without repercussion.

Ah.

[Lemanrussland]

This violates the U.S. Constitution.

Thank god for that.

This sort of pedophile witch hunt (which is what it is) disturbs me a bit. Don't get me wrong, acting on pedophilic urges is a serious crime and mustn't be tolerated, but all of this "let's castrate and torture them", "everyone who commits a sex crime needs to be branded for life and made to put up a sign saying 'I rape children' on their front door" stuff is excessive.

These people advocating for torture, castration and so on are little better than the pedophiles themselves.

[SaintB]

Ain't "unconstitutional" a word Republicans love to use? I'm pretty sure this word applies to that bill.

Unconstutional in the sense they use it means not GOP approved.

[Scomagia]

Source?

Castration would have a zero percent chance of failure, I would think; as opposed to this for rehabilitation:

Statistics show that 30% of adult offenders released from state prisons are re-arrested within the first six months of their release. Even worse, within three years of their release from prison this increases to 67%, or two out of three, ex-offenders returning to prison.* Sadly, revocations are the fastest growing category of prison admissions. Parole violators now account for 35% of new prison admissions as compared to only 17% in 1980.**

http://www.justice.gov/usao/als/rei.html

Castration would have a zero percent chance of failure if the reason that people committed sex crimes was sexual. Generally it isn't. Also the U.S. correctional system is not an example of a system that focuses on rehabilitation.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Castrations would not deter child molesters, we would only have murderers in our hands.

Seriously, the harsher the crime the more likely someone is prone to leave no evidence of their crime.

[Scomagia]

Castrations would not deter child molesters, we would only have murderers in our hands.

Seriously, the harsher the crime the more likely someone is prone to leave no evidence of their crime.

This is also an issue that I have yet to see the pro castration people address.

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

Castrating child molesters solves nothing, the crime has been done already, its going to be as useless as if it was gone anyways, plus I'm sure it will cost money or something as well.

[United Marxist Nations]

Castration would have a zero percent chance of failure, I would think; as opposed to this for rehabilitation:

Statistics show that 30% of adult offenders released from state prisons are re-arrested within the first six months of their release. Even worse, within three years of their release from prison this increases to 67%, or two out of three, ex-offenders returning to prison.* Sadly, revocations are the fastest growing category of prison admissions. Parole violators now account for 35% of new prison admissions as compared to only 17% in 1980.**

http://www.justice.gov/usao/als/rei.html

Castration would have a zero percent chance of failure if the reason that people committed sex crimes was sexual. Generally it isn't. Also the U.S. correctional system is not an example of a system that focuses on rehabilitation.

How is it not sexual?

That's all I can find on rehabilitation, can you help me out?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Castrations would not deter child molesters, we would only have murderers in our hands.

Seriously, the harsher the crime the more likely someone is prone to leave no evidence of their crime.

This is also an issue that I have yet to see the pro castration people address.

Also, the false convictions issue.

[Scomagia]

Castration would have a zero percent chance of failure if the reason that people committed sex crimes was sexual. Generally it isn't. Also the U.S. correctional system is not an example of a system that focuses on rehabilitation.

How is it not sexual?

That's all I can find on rehabilitation, can you help me out?

The crime is sexual but the drive to commit the crime isn't.
And when I say rehabilitation I refer to Scandinavian justice systems.

[Katganistan]

How about no.

It makes you a dick for doing shit like that.

The justice system isn't meant for revenge.

It also disturbingly assumes all child molesters are male. You can't castrate females, can you?

[Scomagia]

This is also an issue that I have yet to see the pro castration people address.

Also, the false convictions issue.

Which I have brought up but the answer to it was, predictably, "acceptable losses."

[Primo Victoria]

Who said anything about pissing?

Sex laws Unjust and ineffective

Every American state keeps a register of sex offenders. California has had one since 1947, but most states started theirs in the 1990s. Many people assume that anyone listed on a sex-offender registry must be a rapist or a child molester. But most states spread the net much more widely. A report by Sarah Tofte of Human Rights Watch, a pressure group, found that at least five states required men to register if they were caught visiting prostitutes. At least 13 required it for urinating in public (in two of which, only if a child was present). No fewer than 29 states required registration for teenagers who had consensual sex with another teenager. And 32 states registered flashers and streakers.

I fail to see why you brought this up in response to my post, where in I specifically noted that in many such cases the label is unjust, and punishment should be purely case by case.

[United Marxist Nations]

How is it not sexual?

That's all I can find on rehabilitation, can you help me out?

The crime is sexual but the drive to commit the crime isn't.
And when I say rehabilitation I refer to Scandinavian justice systems.

That's a bit of a blanket statement, isn't it?

I know, but I mean I can't find any statistics regarding its effectiveness.

[Scomagia]

How about no.

It makes you a dick for doing shit like that.

The justice system isn't meant for revenge.

It also disturbingly assumes all child molesters are male. You can't castrate females, can you?

That's actually a good point that I overlooked. Good looking out Kat!

[Fartsniffage]

How about no.

It makes you a dick for doing shit like that.

The justice system isn't meant for revenge.

It also disturbingly assumes all child molesters are male. You can't castrate females, can you?

A litre of super glue and a needle and thread. *nods*

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Castration would have a zero percent chance of failure if the reason that people committed sex crimes was sexual. Generally it isn't. Also the U.S. correctional system is not an example of a system that focuses on rehabilitation.

How is it not sexual?

That's all I can find on rehabilitation, can you help me out?

It isn't sexual because oftentimes the perpetrator seeks to have a position of power, not a good time with the child.

[United Marxist Nations]

How is it not sexual?

That's all I can find on rehabilitation, can you help me out?

It isn't sexual because oftentimes the perpetrator seeks to have a position of power, not a good time with the child.

Then wouldn't castration remove their ability to do that?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Also, the false convictions issue.

Which I have brought up but the answer to it was, predictably, "acceptable losses."

I saw, it doesn't really say much.

Honestly, nobody should go through it unjustly. Acceptable losses or not, it isn't right for people who have done nothing wrong to undergo such a horrible thing (I am talking about the falsely convicted, need I point out).

[Fartsniffage]

It isn't sexual because oftentimes the perpetrator seeks to have a position of power, not a good time with the child.

Then wouldn't castration remove their ability to do that?

"Dance for me baby..."