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Postby The Scientific States » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:21 pm

As Blasveck said, our justice system shouldn't revolve around cruel and unusual punishments for revenge.
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Postby The Scientific States » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:21 pm

America Libertaria wrote:An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. There is nothing cruel and unusual about it.


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Postby Phocidaea » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:22 pm

Ponyfornia wrote:Ain't "unconstitutional" a word Republicans love to use? I'm pretty sure this word applies to that bill.

For Republicans, "unconstitutional" is just a roundabout way of saying "put forth by Democrats" (c.f. PPACA)
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Postby Sauritican » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:23 pm

Finally something I'll agree with some republicans, I'd support this bill
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Postby Ponyfornia » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:23 pm

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America Libertaria wrote:An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. There is nothing cruel and unusual about it.


The Bible=/=The Constitution.


Now we just need a massive advertisement campaign to make people know the difference.
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Postby Vazdania » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:24 pm

Genivaria wrote:GOP Rep. introduces bill that would require castration for child molesters

One of the most disturbing acts one can do is sexually molest a child. In one state, a drastic punishment is being presented that is seen as controversial by many.

No matter what side of the political aisle you stand on, there is no debating the actions of an adult taking advantage of an innocent child. When a person is tried and convicted, the punishment should fit the crime. In Alabama, Republican state Rep. Steve Hurst has re-introduced a bill that would require child sexual molesters over the age of 21 to be surgically castrated before they are released from prison.

Hurst's bill would also require that the felon be required and obligated for 100 percent of the medical cost. The bill is being submitted for the 2014 legislative session after failing to make it out of the committee in 2013. According to CNN, "at least" nine states have laws involving chemical castration for child sex offenders.

"At least nine U.S. states, including California, Florida, Georgia, Iowa, Louisiana, Montana, Oregon, Texas and Wisconsin have versions of chemical castration in their laws. It's unclear how frequently chemical castration is used in the United States."
Amnesty International was quick to criticize chemical castration and described it as "inhuman treatment," but others aren't so quick to take a stand against it. The bill will be brought up for considering, but it is not known how well it will fair moving forward.


http://www.examiner.com/article/gop-rep ... -molesters

Ok first off I wanna make clear that there is a difference between saying something vicious in anger when you're emotional (guilty) and actually trying to make something vicious into law.
That said I personally am very uncomfortable with this idea and see it as monstrous in nature, and there's the fact that would likely count as 'cruel and unusual punishment'.
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I'm pretty sure amendment 8 covers this.... :eyebrow:
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:24 pm

Benuty wrote:
Ailiailia wrote:
Quoting the bible are we? Let's see the context ...



Nothing cruel or unusual about any of that is there?


Oh look its "Quote the shittier version of the scripture" time already.


Is there a better version?

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Postby Neo Arcad » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:24 pm

This is... okay with me. I'm not big into "eye for an eye" stuff, but this seems like an easy, efficient way to prevent future offense, at less cost to the community than constantly monitoring every child molester as long as they live. It'd be more humane, really, because then those former child molesters wouldn't have to report themselves as such to their neighbors and whatnot. They could live more normally.
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Postby AiliailiA » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:24 pm

It's irritating that congress members waste time and money with bills like this. Even if passed, it would never be enforced. What a charade.

Forced chemical castration is pretty disturbing too. I guess the difference is that if the convict is later exculpated by other evidence the chemicals can be stopped and they'll probably regain normal function of their testicles. Most importantly fertility.
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Postby The Scientific States » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:24 pm

Ponyfornia wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
The Bible=/=The Constitution.


Now we just need a massive advertisement campaign to make people know the difference.


In today's society with today's politicians...erm not going to happen :p
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Postby Yrikuedomann » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:26 pm

I think it's a bit extreme to be honest. Maybe someone should invent temporary castration or something.

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Postby Benuty » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:26 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
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Oh look its "Quote the shittier version of the scripture" time already.


Is there a better version?

The Tanach of-course ( ie Jewish "Old Testament").
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Postby AiliailiA » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:26 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Benuty wrote:
Oh look its "Quote the shittier version of the scripture" time already.


Is there a better version?


Well the same phrase appears in Matthew. Quite specifically saying "eye for an eye is wrong".

If Benuty is complaining about me using the wrong translation I don't give a damn. I don't read Ancient Greek or Aramaic, and bet Benuty doesn't either.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:28 pm

That's just wrong. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
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Postby Neo Arcad » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:28 pm

Yrikuedomann wrote:I think it's a bit extreme to be honest. Maybe someone should invent temporary castration or something.


Chemical castration is that, kinda?
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Postby AiliailiA » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:28 pm

Benuty wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Is there a better version?

The Tanach of-course ( ie Jewish "Old Testament").


You honestly expect me to quote a passage in Hebrew ... which I don't speak or read ... on an English-language website?

No. Do it yourself if you think that's better.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:31 pm

Benuty wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Is there a better version?

The Tanach of-course ( ie Jewish "Old Testament").


What does that say on the matter? Translated into English for those of us who still have a foreskin please.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:32 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:That's just wrong. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.


There'd probably be one guy who could see, He'd be the only one able to see the others coming.

And then he'd end up as king.

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Postby Genivaria » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:35 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
America Libertaria wrote:An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. There is nothing cruel and unusual about it.


The Bible=/=The Constitution.

Actually I think that's the Code of Hammurabi.
The fact that he's following that code instead of the 'forgive and forget' code espoused by Jesus is something I find ironic.
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Postby Benuty » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:35 pm

Ailiailia wrote:
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Is there a better version?


Well the same phrase appears in Matthew. Quite specifically saying "eye for an eye is wrong".

If Benuty is complaining about me using the wrong translation I don't give a damn. I don't read Ancient Greek or Aramaic, and bet Benuty doesn't either.

Aramaic and Koine Greek were secondary and third languages in the process of compilation/translation of the various books not in the process of writing them.
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Postby Benuty » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:37 pm

Ailiailia wrote:
Benuty wrote:The Tanach of-course ( ie Jewish "Old Testament").


You honestly expect me to quote a passage in Hebrew ... which I don't speak or read ... on an English-language website?

No. Do it yourself if you think that's better.

The Tanach is not a Hebraic exclusive book what on earth granted you that idea?
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:46 pm

I'm sad that my state allows this.
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Postby Benuty » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:48 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:I'm sad that my state allows this.

Honestly though what possible reason could they get that was great enough to excuse "compulsory sterilization"?

I mean the idea itself is riddled with the blackness of past mistakes.
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Des-Bal wrote:Modern politics is a series of assholes and liars trying to be more angry than each other until someone lets a racist epithet slip and they all scatter like roaches.

Ya know what.
I'm going to AQ this.
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