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How would history be affected if JFK lived

Postby Demontopia » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:42 am

Dallas Texas, 1963, a convertible sedan driving in the middle of a enormous motorcade, crowds of thousands cram to get a glimpse of the sedan containing a young man in his 30's, a woman in a pink dress, and a congressman. As the sedan draws near a 6 story book depository, a loud bang fills the air, marking the beginning of one of the most terrifying comments in US history. The young man in the back of the sedan, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, start a wriggling his spine. Unknown to him he has been struck in the spine by a 22.cal Italian rifle with telescopic sights, And here is what SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED NEXT. The driver noticed in the car mirror that President Kennedy was acting strange and blood was slowly expand from his back. Realizing what happens he started swerving from lane to lane and floored it straight to Parkland Hospital.there doctors were able to save the President. But what happened next? This is for you to discuss here. :ugeek:
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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:45 am

Civil rights act would have been harder to pass.
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Postby Jamjai » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:45 am

The U.S would be better than now?
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:47 am

Jamjai wrote:The U.S would be better than now?

Nixon still wins in 1968 because LBJ is a bit too soft on the commies.
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Postby Demontopia » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:48 am

greed and death wrote:Civil rights act would have been harder to pass.

Actually JFK was a huge supporter of civil rights. Nearly all the Presidents up until JFK were racists.

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Postby Leningrad Union » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:50 am

"efdected"

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Postby Next Washington » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:50 am

the fed wouldn't have much power as the dollar still would be printed by the gov, saying "united states note"
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Postby Forsakia » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:51 am

Iirc Kennedy's impeached, Hoover becomes president, soviet nukes in cuba, people fleeing cities makes it really hard to get a decent curry.
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Postby Demontopia » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:52 am

Next Washington wrote:the fed wouldn't have much power as the dollar still would be printed by the gov, saying "united states note"

Elaborate

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Postby Norstal » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:54 am

Demontopia wrote:
greed and death wrote:Civil rights act would have been harder to pass.

Actually JFK was a huge supporter of civil rights. Nearly all the Presidents up until JFK were racists.

That's his point. His death made the civil rights act pass easier. Cause you don't wanna disrespect a dead president, do you?
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Oct 14, 2013 9:59 am

Demontopia wrote:Dallas Texas, 1963, a convertible sedan driving in the middle of a enormous motorcade, crowds of thousands cram to get a glimpse of the sedan containing a young man in his 30's, a woman in a pink dress, and a congressman. As the sedan draws near a 6 story book depository, a loud bang fills the air, marking the beginning of one of the most terrifying comments in US history. The young man in the back of the sedan, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, start a wriggling his spine. Unknown to him he has been struck in the spine by a 22.cal Italian rifle with telescopic sights, And here is what SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED NEXT. The driver noticed in the car mirror that President Kennedy was acting strange and blood was slowly expand from his back. Realizing what happens he started swerving from lane to lane and floored it straight to Parkland Hospital.there doctors were able to save the President. But what happened next? This is for you to discuss here. :ugeek:

President Kennedy was 46, not "in his 30's." There was no Congress man in the back seat with him and the First Lady. Texas Governor John Connally was in the front seat. The gun was not a "22.cal" rifle, it was a "6.5×52mm Carcano or 6.5×52mm Paraviccini-Carcano is an Italian military 6.5 mm (.268 cal, actually 0.2675 inches) rimless bottle-necked rifle cartridge, developed from 1889 to 1891 and used in the Carcano 1891 rifle and many of its successors. A common synonym in American gun literature is "6.5mm Italian"". And I suspect the President knew perfectly well what had happened to him, in the brief moment he had before losing consciousness. I also doubt the driver could see that "blood was slowly expand from his back" since Kennedy was shot from behind.

Really, if you're going to do alternate history at least get the starting point right.
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Postby Silent Majority » Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:01 am

The great society probably wouldn't have gotten through congress
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Postby Silent Majority » Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:03 am

Norstal wrote:
Demontopia wrote:Actually JFK was a huge supporter of civil rights. Nearly all the Presidents up until JFK were racists.

That's his point. His death made the civil rights act pass easier. Cause you don't wanna disrespect a dead president, do you?


Well that and the fact that LBJ was a very skillful legislative leader. He was both very good at getting people to vote the way he wanted, and had an intimate understanding of how things in congress worked, that quite frankly JFK really didn't have.
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Postby Breadknife » Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:17 am

As I don't understand the question ("defected", i.e. changed in some way?) I'm just going to leave this link here (see first para of the Plot Summary for its relevance) and see what I can think up for myself later...

(Hang on. That's a key-slip typo of "effected", isn't it. Which maybe should be "affected", anyway.)
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Postby New Waterford » Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:38 pm

Forsakia wrote:Iirc Kennedy's impeached, Hoover becomes president, soviet nukes in cuba, people fleeing cities makes it really hard to get a decent curry.

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Postby Lordieth » Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:40 pm

I think they already explained in an episode of Red Dwarf.

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Postby Neo Arcad » Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:44 pm

It was a Carcano, firing 6x55mm, one of the many underpowered 6mm turn-of-the-century cartridges adopted by many second-rate armies of the period. Learn to spell and learn to history.
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Postby Especially Dirty Hippies » Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:50 pm

Farnhamia wrote:President Kennedy was 46, not "in his 30's." There was no Congress man in the back seat with him and the First Lady. Texas Governor John Connally was in the front seat. The gun was not a "22.cal" rifle, it was a "6.5×52mm Carcano or 6.5×52mm Paraviccini-Carcano is an Italian military 6.5 mm (.268 cal, actually 0.2675 inches) rimless bottle-necked rifle cartridge, developed from 1889 to 1891 and used in the Carcano 1891 rifle and many of its successors. A common synonym in American gun literature is "6.5mm Italian"". And I suspect the President knew perfectly well what had happened to him, in the brief moment he had before losing consciousness. I also doubt the driver could see that "blood was slowly expand from his back" since Kennedy was shot from behind.

Really, if you're going to do alternate history at least get the starting point right.


You know quite a bit about what happened that day...almost as if...

Where were YOU when Kennedy was shot?
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Especially Dirty Hippies wrote:You know quite a bit about what happened that day...almost as if...

Where were YOU when Kennedy was shot?


Commemorating the 20th anniversary of the Lebanon gaining independance from France?

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Postby Llamalandia » Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:01 pm

Moon landing may have been delayed or not happened, or the soviets might have got there first. The assassination was an inspirational catalyst for the national effort to get to the moon. :)

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Postby Benuty » Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:02 pm

Hmm "efdected" is that a word?
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Especially Dirty Hippies wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:President Kennedy was 46, not "in his 30's." There was no Congress man in the back seat with him and the First Lady. Texas Governor John Connally was in the front seat. The gun was not a "22.cal" rifle, it was a "6.5×52mm Carcano or 6.5×52mm Paraviccini-Carcano is an Italian military 6.5 mm (.268 cal, actually 0.2675 inches) rimless bottle-necked rifle cartridge, developed from 1889 to 1891 and used in the Carcano 1891 rifle and many of its successors. A common synonym in American gun literature is "6.5mm Italian"". And I suspect the President knew perfectly well what had happened to him, in the brief moment he had before losing consciousness. I also doubt the driver could see that "blood was slowly expand from his back" since Kennedy was shot from behind.

Really, if you're going to do alternate history at least get the starting point right.


You know quite a bit about what happened that day...almost as if...

Where were YOU when Kennedy was shot?

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Postby Especially Dirty Hippies » Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:04 pm

Breadknife wrote:
Especially Dirty Hippies wrote:You know quite a bit about what happened that day...almost as if...

Where were YOU when Kennedy was shot?


Commemorating the 20th anniversary of the Lebanon gaining independance from France?

I don't know about Farn, but it's what I was doing, in an ante-room of the New World Order headquarters, with all the other truly influential people. ...randomly. Just randomly. For no reason whatsoever. Just forget I mentioned it.


Okay...let's look at what we know. Breadknife and Farnhamia are involved in a global conspiracy that involved killing JFK and liberating Lebanon.

Kennedy was Catholic. So were the Templars.

The Templars feature in the game "Assassin's Creed", much of which takes place in Italy.

Which was the kind of rifle used to kill Kennedy...

Someone once told me that Reagan's survival after being shot was a major part of how he was re-elected. Maybe Kennedy surviving would have resulted in him being more like Reagan.

That doesn't make any sense.
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Postby Ricoslavia » Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:05 pm

Demontopia wrote:Dallas Texas, 1963, a convertible sedan driving in the middle of a enormous motorcade, crowds of thousands cram to get a glimpse of the sedan containing a young man in his 30's, a woman in a pink dress, and a congressman. As the sedan draws near a 6 story book depository, a loud bang fills the air, marking the beginning of one of the most terrifying comments in US history. The young man in the back of the sedan, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, start a wriggling his spine. Unknown to him he has been struck in the spine by a 22.cal Italian rifle with telescopic sights, And here is what SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED NEXT. The driver noticed in the car mirror that President Kennedy was acting strange and blood was slowly expand from his back. Realizing what happens he started swerving from lane to lane and floored it straight to Parkland Hospital.there doctors were able to save the President. But what happened next? This is for you to discuss here. :ugeek:

JFK got shot in the head, i've seen the video
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Postby Mollary » Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:06 pm

As Kennedy had become wary of using military force in conflicts against communism due to the Cuban missile crisis, involvement in Vietnam probably wouldn't have reached the scale it did.
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