Fascism: Good or Bad?

[Utceforp]

This.


But seriously. It fills the gaps when bourgeois democracy fails. It is a theory that glorifies attacking the symptoms instead of offering a systemic analysis. It appeals to the basest of instincts. No good will come of it.

Fascism acknowledges the power of will and emotion it doesn't ignore it with materialistic/economic descriptions of life as the Communists and Capitalists do.

But that doesn't mean it has no plan, Fascism is intellegent but not intellectual, it Acts, it doesn't sit around in academia theorizing solutions for society while living apart from it.

Thinking before you act is more important than acting right away. Any government form that dislikes intellectuals or anything it perceives as intellectual is doomed to fail.

[Islamic Shia Order of Dagestan]

The Communists were going to win the elections.

Why the hell would they do that?

MAGIC! No really there is no logically sound explanation as to why the German Left would torch the Reichstag. Anyone who believes that can buy my beachside resort in Kansas.

If you Belive the Communists would Torch the Reichstäg than you Must be high. It was obviously a de facto version of the Gestapo

[Yankeesse]

...The only good Trostsky is a post icepick trosky

Winter theme...

i got a question

since actions speak louder than words, how do you feel about the russian revolution? surely an inspiring example of the people rising up!

It is, too bad it was for Communism.

blaming the National Socialist for anything "bad" is just par for the course.

The Nazis were evil. I think we can all agree on that. Everything bad that happened in Germany between 1914 and 1945 was caused by either the great depression or the Nazis. Mostly the Nazis.

Nonsense, What the National Socialists and Depression are to blame for WW1? Huh?


And no i don't consider them evil, they made mistakes obviously but overall their message is a beautiful one.

Especially compared to the Alternatives in Germany at the time.

The needs of the people can be met without the need for a "Third Position" .

I disagree

But thats not exactly relevant.

And the Fascist social policy is something I'm not took keen on either.

"The" as if it only ever has one.

And what would that be?

[Yankeesse]

Fascism acknowledges the power of will and emotion it doesn't ignore it with materialistic/economic descriptions of life as the Communists and Capitalists do.

But that doesn't mean it has no plan, Fascism is intellegent but not intellectual, it Acts, it doesn't sit around in academia theorizing solutions for society while living apart from it.

Thinking before you act is more important than acting right away. Any government form that dislikes intellectuals or anything it perceives as intellectual is doomed to fail.

There is a differance between thinking before you act and coming up with social policies for the working man by a person who's never done a days labor and spends all their time in academia.

Like Karl Marx for example

[Blasveck]

i got a question

since actions speak louder than words, how do you feel about the russian revolution? surely an inspiring example of the people rising up!

It is, too bad it was for Communism.

The Nazis were evil. I think we can all agree on that. Everything bad that happened in Germany between 1914 and 1945 was caused by either the great depression or the Nazis. Mostly the Nazis.

Nonsense, What the National Socialists and Depression are to blame for WW1? Huh?


And no i don't consider them evil, they made mistakes obviously but overall their message is a beautiful one.

Especially compared to the Alternatives in Germany at the time.

The needs of the people can be met without the need for a "Third Position" .

I disagree

But thats not exactly relevant.

And the Fascist social policy is something I'm not took keen on either.

"The" as if it only ever has one.

And what would that be?

1. You'd be wrong with that disagreement

2. I've gotten a mix of answers, so my comment was rash.

What do you believe is the social policy?

[Mussoliniopoli]

MAGIC! No really there is no logically sound explanation as to why the German Left would torch the Reichstag. Anyone who believes that can buy my beachside resort in Kansas.

If you Belive the Communists would Torch the Reichstäg than you Must be high. It was obviously a de facto version of the Gestapo

Well Goering repeatedly claimed he was the architect of the incident on multiple occasions so more than likely.

[Utceforp]

The Nazis were evil. I think we can all agree on that. Everything bad that happened in Germany between 1914 and 1945 was caused by either the great depression or the Nazis. Mostly the Nazis.

Nonsense, What the National Socialists and Depression are to blame for WW1? Huh?


And no i don't consider them evil, they made mistakes obviously but overall their message is a beautiful one.

Especially compared to the Alternatives in Germany at the time.

Ah, that was a typo, I meant 1918, as in, the end of WW1, not the beginning.

The Nazis were definitely evil. I think the Jews, homosexuals, Muslims, disabled people, socialists, non-whites, et cetera, et cetera who lived (or didn't) in Nazi Germany would agree with me.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Its Fabulous especially my brand of Social Fascism

[Filthy Ginger Bastards]

Fascism acknowledges the power of will and emotion it doesn't ignore it with materialistic/economic descriptions of life as the Communists and Capitalists do.

But that doesn't mean it has no plan, Fascism is intellegent but not intellectual, it Acts, it doesn't sit around in academia theorizing solutions for society while living apart from it.

What?

Marxism acknowledges individual agency and emotion, but realistically does not lose sight of the objective constraints upon the individual will. Fascism, much like religion, exploits the power of emotion, spectacle and shallow analysis. It attacks migrant workers, instead of the system which demands their presence. It attacks groups of "others" in order to divide and conquer, making solidarity impossible. It subsumes the individual will. It subsumes the individual to a collective whole that serves an exclusionary collectivism at the expense of all reasonable outside obstacles. Hence, National Socialist. The Nazis promised land and rising living standards to the German Volk at the expense of their Eastern European neighbors, whom they pillaged and used for slave labor in order to seize Lebensraum.

Emotion is fine, but delusion is another thing entirely.

[Ponyfornia]

Its Fabulous especially my brand of Social Fascism

Tell us more about what "Social Fascism" stands for.

[Cardixis]

It's bad, and here's five reasons why:

• Fascist Dictators oppress anyone who criticises them and their oppression.
• Individuality is discouraged.
• The state only supports religions that are nationally or historically tied to the state.
• People must be dedicated to the power of the state.
• The government believes in a superior race.

[Surfistan]

There's nothing healthy or beatiful about a group of uniformed goons dragging you out of your house because you insulted the Leader, so fuck fascism.
Fuck it with fire.

[Euronion]

Horrible, absolutely horrible. Though I do think that it can exist in a modern society; just look at Starship Troopers.

[Mussoliniopoli]

Horrible, absolutely horrible. Though I do think that it can exist in a modern society; just look at Starship Troopers.

LOL?

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

It's bad, and here's five reasons why:

• Fascist Dictators oppress anyone who criticises them and their oppression.
• Individuality is discouraged.
• The state only supports religions that are nationally or historically tied to the state.
• People must be dedicated to the power of the state.
• The government believes in a superior race.

Sir i believe you are thinking of Nazism as i believe race is bullshit

[Ponyfornia]

Horrible, absolutely horrible. Though I do think that it can exist in a modern society; just look at Starship Troopers.

LOL?

Can't counter argue that, can you?

[Yankeesse]

It is, too bad it was for Communism.


Nonsense, What the National Socialists and Depression are to blame for WW1? Huh?


And no i don't consider them evil, they made mistakes obviously but overall their message is a beautiful one.

Especially compared to the Alternatives in Germany at the time.


I disagree


"The" as if it only ever has one.

And what would that be?

1. You'd be wrong with that disagreement

2. I've gotten a mix of answers, so my comment was rash.

What do you believe is the social policy?

1. What's the alternative then?

2.It depends on the National spirit of whatever Nation it takes place in,
For example National Socialism is differant from Italian Fascism is differant from Spanish Falange is differant from Belgian Rexism is Differant From Finnish Lapua is differant from Romanian Iron Guard is differant from Polish Fascism is differant from Brazilian Integralism etc. (you get the point)

But there are some universal ones.

Civic Duty, all citizens should take part in maintaining their society.

Rights/Privleges should be connected to ones service to the nation.
People that take an active role have more say in social policy then those who don't.

Fostering National Fraternity, transcending party politics and economic status teaching the youth the achievments of their ancestors and to have pride in themselves and their community.

Nation first, All policies foreign or domestic are taken upon what is of most beneifit to th nation, not of individual lobbying groups.

General stuff.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Horrible, absolutely horrible. Though I do think that it can exist in a modern society; just look at Starship Troopers.

i loved that movie

[Mussoliniopoli]

LOL?

Can't counter argue that, can you?

Hard to counter a book or horrible movie.

[Souseiseki]

Horrible, absolutely horrible. Though I do think that it can exist in a modern society; just look at Starship Troopers.

i loved that movie

i hate to have to be the one to tell you this but the movie actually exists solely to take the piss out of you and your ideology

[Yankeesse]

If you Belive the Communists would Torch the Reichstäg than you Must be high. It was obviously a de facto version of the Gestapo

Well Goering repeatedly claimed he was the architect of the incident on multiple occasions so more than likely.

Source?

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Its Fabulous especially my brand of Social Fascism

Tell us more about what "Social Fascism" stands for.

I belive in the tradition ideals of Fascism such as Corporatism, Hyper-Nationalism, Irrdentism, Glorification of war etc etc,
but i also support gay rights, Womens rights, Freedom of religion, and Euthanasia

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

i loved that movie

i hate to have to be the one to tell you this but the movie actually exists solely to take the piss out of you and your ideology

Fuck taht it was a good movie none the less.

[Blasveck]

1. You'd be wrong with that disagreement

2. I've gotten a mix of answers, so my comment was rash.

What do you believe is the social policy?

1. What's the alternative then?

2.It depends on the National spirit of whatever Nation it takes place in,
For example National Socialism is differant from Italian Fascism is differant from Spanish Falange is differant from Belgian Rexism is Differant From Finnish Lapua is differant from Romanian Iron Guard is differant from Polish Fascism is differant from Brazilian Integralism etc. (you get the point)

But there are some universal ones.

Civic Duty, all citizens should take part in maintaining their society.

Rights/Privleges should be connected to ones service to the nation.
People that take an active role have more say in social policy then those who don't.

Fostering National Fraternity, transcending party politics and economic status teaching the youth the achievments of their ancestors and to have pride in themselves and their community.

Nation first, All policies foreign or domestic are taken upon what is of most beneifit to th nation, not of individual lobbying groups.

General stuff.

1. Free Market, Capitalist or Socialist Variety.
2. So social rights are basically connected to if they are in service to the nation? Or to the state?

[Filthy Ginger Bastards]

Thinking before you act is more important than acting right away. Any government form that dislikes intellectuals or anything it perceives as intellectual is doomed to fail.

There is a differance between thinking before you act and coming up with social policies for the working man by a person who's never done a days labor and spends all their time in academia.

Like Karl Marx for example

Everybody knows that Marx was a party animal. He himself was the first to claim that "I am not a Marxist" insofar as his work was not meant to be doctrinaire. It does not nullify his analytical tools.

Furthermore, this discussion is about Fascism, not Marx's questionable personal life. Fascism was an anti-intellectual revolt against the 20th century. It has lain roots in crumbling capitalist states (ex. New Dawn in Greece, Weimar Germany) and post Communist states (hello, Russia!). It, owing to its reliance upon emotion, attacks symptoms, not systems. While it may have been industrially successful in some cases owing to its collaboration with capital, its purported myth of classlessness and its quashing of labor movements, it is a malignant force that thrives upon disaster and un-channeled angst.