Hesse wrote:Good. Certainly not as good as National Socialism, but still good.
How's it feel to be the ideological equivalent of a meth addict?
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by Grenartia » Thu Oct 17, 2013 4:33 pm
Hesse wrote:Good. Certainly not as good as National Socialism, but still good.
by Grenartia » Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:14 pm
by Volnotova » Thu Oct 17, 2013 5:27 pm
Yankeesse wrote:...
Jews tend to be a majority/high in number with the Plutocratic system and Comunist cells, which means they more ften then not oppose Nationalist Causes.
The Only Fascist state where antisemitism would be bad, would be if Israel became a Fascist state.
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by Yankeesse » Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:04 pm
Grenartia wrote:XY inc wrote:Egoism is the believe that each person has but one ultimate aim: their own welfare. This allows for action that fails to maximize perceived self-interest, but rules out the sort of behavior psychological egoists like to target — such as altruistic behavior or motivation by thoughts of duty alone. It allows for weakness of will, since in weakness of will cases I am still aiming at my own welfare; I am weak in that I do not act as I aim. And it allows for aiming at things other than one's welfare, such as helping others, where these things are a means to one's welfare.
No altruism? Yep. Exactly as I said, shitty ideology.
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:I can see how this is interpreted as that particular fallacy. But I don't think it is. Romania, as you said, was a Nazi puppet state, and the Nazis were National Socialists. National Socialists aren't Fascists; that's why they call themselves National Socialists.
We aren't going to get very far in this discussion, as I can only state that putting down industrial workers and uplifting peasants doesn't seem very Fascist to me.
by Yankeesse » Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:12 pm
Volnotova wrote:Yankeesse wrote:...
Jews tend to be a majority/high in number with the Plutocratic system and Comunist cells, which means they more ften then not oppose Nationalist Causes.
The Only Fascist state where antisemitism would be bad, would be if Israel became a Fascist state.
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Wow, just wow.
Are you somehow implying it would be better to just kick us all out (whatever country it might be) and deport us all to Israel or something?
Together with your whole "You mean the crushing of dissent, all revolutions do this but interesting that you place it as a virtue." in reference to somebody pointing out Fascism's genocidal nature really makes me wonder what you are hinting at.
by Grenartia » Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:33 pm
Yankeesse wrote:Grenartia wrote:
How's it feel to be the ideological equivalent of a meth addict?
1. I don't know you tell me.Grenartia wrote:
No altruism? Yep. Exactly as I said, shitty ideology.
2. Egoism is anti-Fascist.Prussia-Steinbach wrote:I can see how this is interpreted as that particular fallacy. But I don't think it is. Romania, as you said, was a Nazi puppet state, and the Nazis were National Socialists. National Socialists aren't Fascists; that's why they call themselves National Socialists.
We aren't going to get very far in this discussion, as I can only state that putting down industrial workers and uplifting peasants doesn't seem very Fascist to me.
First off How was Romania a puppet state?
Also National Socialism is Fascism but Fascism isn't equitable to National Socialism. Nation Socialism is a branch of Fascism.Nazi Flower Power wrote:
It really isn't that different. Hence "National Socialism." It's called that because it originally was intended to be a form of socialism. But then the racial crap kind of took over.
"Racial Crap"?
The desire to achieve racial purity and health is a central Tenant of National Socialism, it's the main thing that makes it distinct from Fascism.
God the only thing worse than an antifa is an "anti-Racist" National Socialist.
by The Grey Wolf » Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:37 pm
Yankeesse wrote:Grenartia wrote:
How's it feel to be the ideological equivalent of a meth addict?
I don't know you tell me.Grenartia wrote:
No altruism? Yep. Exactly as I said, shitty ideology.
Egoism is anti-Fascist.Prussia-Steinbach wrote:I can see how this is interpreted as that particular fallacy. But I don't think it is. Romania, as you said, was a Nazi puppet state, and the Nazis were National Socialists. National Socialists aren't Fascists; that's why they call themselves National Socialists.
We aren't going to get very far in this discussion, as I can only state that putting down industrial workers and uplifting peasants doesn't seem very Fascist to me.
First off How was Romania a puppet state?
Also National Socialism is Fascism but Fascism isn't equitable to National Socialism. Nation Socialism is a branch of Fascism.Nazi Flower Power wrote:
It really isn't that different. Hence "National Socialism." It's called that because it originally was intended to be a form of socialism. But then the racial crap kind of took over.
"Racial Crap"?
The desire to achieve racial purity and health is a central Tenant of National Socialism, it's the main thing that makes it distinct from Fascism.
God the only thing worse than an antifa is an "anti-Racist" National Socialist.
by Yankeesse » Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:38 pm
Grenartia wrote:Yankeesse wrote:
1. I don't know you tell me.
2. Egoism is anti-Fascist.
First off How was Romania a puppet state?
Also National Socialism is Fascism but Fascism isn't equitable to National Socialism. Nation Socialism is a branch of Fascism.
"Racial Crap"?
The desire to achieve racial purity and health is a central Tenant of National Socialism, it's the main thing that makes it distinct from Fascism.
God the only thing worse than an antifa is an "anti-Racist" National Socialist.
1. Well, my ideology doesn't hold an iron grip over me and prevent me from critically thinking. So its not like being addicted to meth.
2. I realize that. And yet its still a shitty ideology. Not quite as shitty as Fascism/Stalinism/Nazism (and the differences between the three are cosmetic only), but still pretty shitty.
by The Grey Wolf » Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:44 pm
Grenartia wrote:Yankeesse wrote:
1. I don't know you tell me.
2. Egoism is anti-Fascist.
First off How was Romania a puppet state?
Also National Socialism is Fascism but Fascism isn't equitable to National Socialism. Nation Socialism is a branch of Fascism.
"Racial Crap"?
The desire to achieve racial purity and health is a central Tenant of National Socialism, it's the main thing that makes it distinct from Fascism.
God the only thing worse than an antifa is an "anti-Racist" National Socialist.
1. Well, my ideology doesn't hold an iron grip over me and prevent me from critically thinking. So its not like being addicted to meth.
2. I realize that. And yet its still a shitty ideology. Not quite as shitty as Fascism/Stalinism/Nazism (and the differences between the three are cosmetic only), but still pretty shitty.
by Grenartia » Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:03 pm
Yankeesse wrote:Grenartia wrote:
1. Well, my ideology doesn't hold an iron grip over me and prevent me from critically thinking. So its not like being addicted to meth.
2. I realize that. And yet its still a shitty ideology. Not quite as shitty as Fascism/Stalinism/Nazism (and the differences between the three are cosmetic only), but still pretty shitty.
1. >Implying mine does, Crtitical thinking and intellectuall honesty is what led me to fascism, I didn't just look at some prussian marches , Roman salutes and go "Gee wiz that looks cool I am so a Fascist!"
2. The differance between National Socialism/Fascism and Stalinism are significant, the only things they share are Nationalism , Authoritarianism and Militarism but countless societies have held these traits that weren't Fascism.
by Grenartia » Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:12 pm
The Grey Wolf wrote:Grenartia wrote:
1. Well, my ideology doesn't hold an iron grip over me and prevent me from critically thinking. So its not like being addicted to meth.
2. I realize that. And yet its still a shitty ideology. Not quite as shitty as Fascism/Stalinism/Nazism (and the differences between the three are cosmetic only), but still pretty shitty.
1. You just love stereotypes, eh? No Fascist government has been against critical thinking. They've been against the Communist, who want to stop critical thinking. Stop bullshitting.
2. And this is how we know that you know nothing about what you're talking about. There are HUGE differences between Nazism and Stalinism, primarily that the Nazis were okay with free enterprise. Same with Fascism. Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy were way more freer for the businessman than in Soviet Russia.
by Prussia-Steinbach » Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:20 pm
Grenartia wrote:1. I've never met a fascist that didn't fail to think critically on some level.
by Grenartia » Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:32 pm
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Grenartia wrote:1. I've never met a fascist that didn't fail to think critically on some level.
Out of curiosity, at what point do I cease thinking critically?
(I'm not going to get mad at anything you say and act as if it's flaming. I'm asking for your input, no matter how critical.)
by Yankeesse » Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:58 pm
Grenartia wrote:Yankeesse wrote:1. >Implying mine does, Crtitical thinking and intellectuall honesty is what led me to fascism, I didn't just look at some prussian marches , Roman salutes and go "Gee wiz that looks cool I am so a Fascist!"
2. The differance between National Socialism/Fascism and Stalinism are significant, the only things they share are Nationalism , Authoritarianism and Militarism but countless societies have held these traits that weren't Fascism.
1. I've never met a fascist that didn't fail to think critically on some level. After all, any thinking person can reason out that fascism is an inherently self-destructive ideology (I've analyzed how it happens earlier in the thread), and history has proven that it cannot succeed.
2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_fascism
Grenartia wrote:The Grey Wolf wrote:
1. You just love stereotypes, eh? No Fascist government has been against critical thinking. They've been against the Communist, who want to stop critical thinking. Stop bullshitting.
2. And this is how we know that you know nothing about what you're talking about. There are HUGE differences between Nazism and Stalinism, primarily that the Nazis were okay with free enterprise. Same with Fascism. Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy were way more freer for the businessman than in Soviet Russia.
1. Yes, they have. Or else they wouldn't have suppressed criticism of the government and other forms of free speech. They realized that critical thinking was a threat to their hold on power, and instead of allowing and encouraging it, and giving the people a voice in their government, like all the democratic governments, they became paranoid, much like somebody who's taken too much LSD, and suppressed all criticism and input, thus providing the very justification for the anti-government actions they were so paranoid about (self-fulfilling prophecy). To say nothing of the blatant lies in most of the propoganda. Of course, the Soviet-backed states and USSR itself did the same thing.
"The fascist motto, "We welcome criticism but not opposition,' is not a mere sophism but an important distinction. General opposition to the regime continues to be crushed whenever it shows its head, but detailed criticism goes on daily to an extent little appreciated by those naive foreigners who imagine Mussolini literally dictating all day long to everyone. Mussolini listens more than he dictates. His decrees are rarely initiated by himself but represent decisions, usually compromises, made after a period of active discussion among those concerned. Nor does this discussion always terminate when the decision is announced. Decrees do not have the finality in fact that they do in form. Some of the debate, to be sure, is conducted behind closed doors, but enough of it is published in scientific and professional journals, reports and books to enable the technically competent to participate in the expression of conflicting points of view and to influence the decisions of the government."
by Yankeesse » Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:01 pm
Grenartia wrote:Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Out of curiosity, at what point do I cease thinking critically?
(I'm not going to get mad at anything you say and act as if it's flaming. I'm asking for your input, no matter how critical.)
When you thought that an ideology that glorifies the worst aspects of humanity,
and seeks to dehumanize everybody under its control was a good thing.
by Blasveck » Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:08 pm
Yankeesse wrote:Grenartia wrote:
1. I've never met a fascist that didn't fail to think critically on some level. After all, any thinking person can reason out that fascism is an inherently self-destructive ideology (I've analyzed how it happens earlier in the thread), and history has proven that it cannot succeed.
2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_fascism
1. Huh? "Fascism is wrong because anyone with critical thinking proves it's wrong therefore if your a fascist you lack critical thinking"
Well gee what a a rock solid Circular argument.
2. I don't care what some weak willed commies want to make an excuse for things that come about in communists regimes that they don't like.
So they can seperate themselves from criticism by saying " Well he wasn't a "true Comunist".
Stalin was an Authoritarian Socialist and pragmatist and because of this he managed to empower Russia from it's slump since the Revolution.
He didn't allow unworkable ideals in Communism to drive Russia into the Ground.
But these things don't make a Fascist.Grenartia wrote:
1. Yes, they have. Or else they wouldn't have suppressed criticism of the government and other forms of free speech. They realized that critical thinking was a threat to their hold on power, and instead of allowing and encouraging it, and giving the people a voice in their government, like all the democratic governments, they became paranoid, much like somebody who's taken too much LSD, and suppressed all criticism and input, thus providing the very justification for the anti-government actions they were so paranoid about (self-fulfilling prophecy). To say nothing of the blatant lies in most of the propoganda. Of course, the Soviet-backed states and USSR itself did the same thing.
1. From The Fascist Government of Italy authored byHerbert W. Schneider."The fascist motto, "We welcome criticism but not opposition,' is not a mere sophism but an important distinction. General opposition to the regime continues to be crushed whenever it shows its head, but detailed criticism goes on daily to an extent little appreciated by those naive foreigners who imagine Mussolini literally dictating all day long to everyone. Mussolini listens more than he dictates. His decrees are rarely initiated by himself but represent decisions, usually compromises, made after a period of active discussion among those concerned. Nor does this discussion always terminate when the decision is announced. Decrees do not have the finality in fact that they do in form. Some of the debate, to be sure, is conducted behind closed doors, but enough of it is published in scientific and professional journals, reports and books to enable the technically competent to participate in the expression of conflicting points of view and to influence the decisions of the government."
by Grenartia » Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:12 pm
Yankeesse wrote:Grenartia wrote:
1. I've never met a fascist that didn't fail to think critically on some level. After all, any thinking person can reason out that fascism is an inherently self-destructive ideology (I've analyzed how it happens earlier in the thread), and history has proven that it cannot succeed.
2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_fascism
1. Huh? "Fascism is wrong because anyone with critical thinking proves it's wrong therefore if your a fascist you lack critical thinking"
Well gee what a a rock solid Circular argument.
2. I don't care what some weak willed commies want to make an excuse for things that come about in communists regimes that they don't like.
So they can seperate themselves from criticism by saying " Well he wasn't a "true Comunist".
Stalin was an Authoritarian Socialist and pragmatist and because of this he managed to empower Russia from it's slump since the Revolution.
He didn't allow unworkable ideals in Communism to drive Russia into the Ground.
But these things don't make a Fascist.Grenartia wrote:
1. Yes, they have. Or else they wouldn't have suppressed criticism of the government and other forms of free speech. They realized that critical thinking was a threat to their hold on power, and instead of allowing and encouraging it, and giving the people a voice in their government, like all the democratic governments, they became paranoid, much like somebody who's taken too much LSD, and suppressed all criticism and input, thus providing the very justification for the anti-government actions they were so paranoid about (self-fulfilling prophecy). To say nothing of the blatant lies in most of the propoganda. Of course, the Soviet-backed states and USSR itself did the same thing.
3. From The Fascist Government of Italy authored byHerbert W. Schneider."The fascist motto, "We welcome criticism but not opposition,' is not a mere sophism but an important distinction. General opposition to the regime continues to be crushed whenever it shows its head, but detailed criticism goes on daily to an extent little appreciated by those naive foreigners who imagine Mussolini literally dictating all day long to everyone. Mussolini listens more than he dictates. His decrees are rarely initiated by himself but represent decisions, usually compromises, made after a period of active discussion among those concerned. Nor does this discussion always terminate when the decision is announced. Decrees do not have the finality in fact that they do in form. Some of the debate, to be sure, is conducted behind closed doors, but enough of it is published in scientific and professional journals, reports and books to enable the technically competent to participate in the expression of conflicting points of view and to influence the decisions of the government."
by Grenartia » Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:17 pm
Yankeesse wrote:Grenartia wrote:
When you thought that an ideology that glorifies the worst aspects of humanity,
1. Such as?and seeks to dehumanize everybody under its control was a good thing.
2. Explain.
3. Also this is your "Fascism is wrong therefore anyone who argues for Fascism is wrong, because Fascism is wrong" Circular argument again.
by The USOT » Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:22 pm
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Grenartia wrote:1. I've never met a fascist that didn't fail to think critically on some level.
Out of curiosity, at what point do I cease thinking critically?
(I'm not going to get mad at anything you say and act as if it's flaming. I'm asking for your input, no matter how critical.)
by The Nuclear Fist » Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:23 pm
Yankeesse wrote:First off How was Romania a puppet state?
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
by Yankeesse » Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:24 pm
Blasveck wrote:
Why do you not welcome opposition?
What is wrong with opposition, exactly
(I know I ignored the rest of your post. I just wanted to address that specific part.)
by The Nuclear Fist » Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:25 pm
The Grey Wolf wrote:1. You just love stereotypes, eh? No Fascist government has been against critical thinking. They've been against the Communist, who want to stop critical thinking. Stop bullshitting.
And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses. . .Farnhamia wrote:You're getting a little too fond of the jerkoff motions.
by Grenartia » Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:31 pm
Yankeesse wrote:Blasveck wrote:
Why do you not welcome opposition?
What is wrong with opposition, exactly
(I know I ignored the rest of your post. I just wanted to address that specific part.)
Criticism is saying you have an issue/differant opinion to certain policies.
Opposition is saying your going to actively work against the State and seek it's dissolution.
by Souseiseki » Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:33 pm
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