First Fluent Language?

[Saint-Thor]

I could say I have two, vernacular Brazilian Portuguese and proper Portuguese, but they are more of co-dialects in a diglossia system with different levels of linguistic prestige (and the varieties of proper Portuguese farther from vernacular Brazilian Portuguese get increasingly more) than properly two language.

We have something similar in Québec too, called the Joual (aka the French that the people from France can't understand). I tend to avoid speaking it, but I love it so much.

[Pope Joan]

I could say I have two, vernacular Brazilian Portuguese and proper Portuguese, but they are more of co-dialects in a diglossia system with different levels of linguistic prestige (and the varieties of proper Portuguese farther from vernacular Brazilian Portuguese get increasingly more) than properly two language.

We have something similar in Québec too, called the Joual (aka the French that the people from France can't understand). I tend to avoid speaking it, but I love it so much.

I tried ordering pomme frites in St. Jean Port Jolie, and they said they only served "potats".

[Saint-Thor]

We have something similar in Québec too, called the Joual (aka the French that the people from France can't understand). I tend to avoid speaking it, but I love it so much.

I tried ordering pomme frites in St. Jean Port Jolie, and they said they only served "potats".

Pomme frite... Nice. But no, try "patate frite" instead. At least you didn't get a "fried apple".

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

I tried ordering pomme frites in St. Jean Port Jolie, and they said they only served "potats".

Pomme frite... Nice. But no, try "patate frite" instead. At least you didn't get a "fried apple".

We also say batata frita in Portuguese.

But both sweet potatoes and starchy potatoes are called batata, the first one is batata-doce and the other batata-inglesa. In Spanish they differ it by batata (sweet) vs patata (starchy), so we know that when a person starts to say "patata", s/he probably learned Spanish first and is still getting confused.

[Seitonjin]

Malay and the Queen's English.

How difficult do you think learning Malay is?

Not too difficult. You could learn Indonesian at the same time.

Salamat malam, ibu Nana. Silakan dudukh. Mau es teh manis atau minuman yang lebih tradisional?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

How difficult do you think learning Malay is?

Not too difficult. You could learn Indonesian at the same time.

Salamat malam, ibu Nana. Silakan dudukh. Mau es teh manis atau minuman yang lebih tradisional?

Salamat malam- is that a greeting? Reminds me a bit of Salam alaykum.

[Seitonjin]

Not too difficult. You could learn Indonesian at the same time.

Salamat malam, ibu Nana. Silakan dudukh. Mau es teh manis atau minuman yang lebih tradisional?

Salamat malam- is that a greeting? Reminds me a bit of Salam alaykum.

DING DING!

Salamat/Selamat Malam is 'good evening'.

We have tons of loan words.

From Spanish/Portuguese we have sepatu, mingu, and jendela.

From Arabic we have kabar, kitab, and jumat.

From Sanskrit we have dharma, manusia, and bumi.

From Chinese we have loteng, cawan, and tehko/teko.

And solely Indonesian has tons of loan words from the Dutch. Like kantor, polisi, and gratis.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Salamat malam- is that a greeting? Reminds me a bit of Salam alaykum.

DING DING!

Salamat/Selamat Malam is 'good evening'.

We have tons of loan words.

From Spanish/Portuguese we have sepatu, mingu, and jendela.

From Arabic we have kabar, kitab, and jumat.

From Sanskrit we have dharma, manusia, and bumi.

From Chinese we have loteng, cawan, and tehko/teko.

And solely Indonesian has tons of loan words from the Dutch. Like kantor, polisi, and gratis.

Most modern languages are that cosmopolitan in that they have tons of loan words from different languages.

[Seitonjin]

DING DING!

Salamat/Selamat Malam is 'good evening'.

We have tons of loan words.

From Spanish/Portuguese we have sepatu, mingu, and jendela.

From Arabic we have kabar, kitab, and jumat.

From Sanskrit we have dharma, manusia, and bumi.

From Chinese we have loteng, cawan, and tehko/teko.

And solely Indonesian has tons of loan words from the Dutch. Like kantor, polisi, and gratis.

Most modern languages are that cosmopolitan in that they have tons of loan words from different languages.

It's an easy language for Romance language speakers.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Most modern languages are that cosmopolitan in that they have tons of loan words from different languages.

It's an easy language for Romance language speakers.

Seems pretty phonetic, which is a plus.

[Seitonjin]

It's an easy language for Romance language speakers.

Seems pretty phonetic, which is a plus.

*nods*

I think you can self teach yourself.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Seems pretty phonetic, which is a plus.

*nods*

I think you can self teach yourself.

Could be interesting.

[Seitonjin]

*nods*

I think you can self teach yourself.

Could be interesting.

Silakan ibu~! *bows*

[Aquafireland]

English.

[The imperial canadian dutchy]

Triestino Italian
Then i emigrated and learned English

[Saint-Thor]

Pomme frite... Nice. But no, try "patate frite" instead. At least you didn't get a "fried apple".

We also say batata frita in Portuguese.

But both sweet potatoes and starchy potatoes are called batata, the first one is batata-doce and the other batata-inglesa. In Spanish they differ it by batata (sweet) vs patata (starchy), so we know that when a person starts to say "patata", s/he probably learned Spanish first and is still getting confused.

Yeaah. Batata frita, exactly. You guys know how it works.

[Arglorand]

Lithuanian. I grew up speaking it, in Lithuania, where it is the official language. I was and continue to be taught it at school.

[Surfistan]

Dutch.

[Maklohi Vai]

English. I'm trying to learn French currently and am passable at it, and I have a desire to learn at least snippets of Russian, Korean, and Samoan.

I saw someone describe generational removal as well, so I'll do that on terms of first fluent language:
Parents both grew up speaking English.
All 4 grandparents grew up speaking English.
6 great-grandparents grew up speaking English, 1 bilingual Russian-English (I think; it may have been just English) and 1 just Russian.
This is where it's getting foggy, at two greats. One side of the family (8/16) is completely English, and the other side has a mixture of Yiddish (maybe 1 or 2), English (at least 2, maybe 4) Russian (2), Polish (1), and Lithuanian (1).
After that generation I have no clue.

[Jamjai]

English but I'm not super complex fluent at it

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[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

I could say I have two, vernacular Brazilian Portuguese and proper Portuguese, but they are more of co-dialects in a diglossia system with different levels of linguistic prestige (and the varieties of proper Portuguese farther from vernacular Brazilian Portuguese get increasingly more) than properly two language.

We have something similar in Québec too, called the Joual (aka the French that the people from France can't understand). I tend to avoid speaking it, but I love it so much.

Looks pretty much alike the situation in Portuguese, just without the excessive English influence (though it's true that European Portuguese is more French-influenced on the vocabulary than Brazilian Portuguese, while Brazilian Portuguese is more English-influenced by the vocabulary than the other; our own set of French loanwords is considerable though).

Word-reorganization leading to things being pronounced a lot differently so that they look a bit unrecognizable is more of a thing of Rio de Janeiro though, as our accent is faster than elsewhere in Brazil, but in Portugal this happened to such huge degree (I am probably exaggerating, but in Lisbon it seems about 75% faster than our accent - the standard - and 125% than the sing-a-songy average Brazilian one) that the whole language seems unrecognizable and unpronounceable, so we don't even seem much unusual by comparison. Brazilian Portuguese by a side looks new, but it is actually much more to archaic in both vocabulary and phonology. Our grammar is the innovative part, and even the most basic things such as verb conjugation looks "broken" if analyzed by the European standard.

I think I could also compare it to Dutch and Afrikaans (Afrikaans' deal is also more about the grammar), but Afrikaans AFAIK follows a more smooth distanciation (it started in the semi-Westernized tribes too but became the language of a wide very European-descended community rather than the one of the colonized Other real fast, while in Brazil it took centuries), while vernacular Brazilian Portuguese, theorized to have been originated by the re-lexification of the creole generated after the 4 million illiterate Nheengatu speakers plus slaves were forced to use Portuguese by the Marquis of Pombal, actually suffered a very big re-approximation to European Portuguese due to Eurocentric language values (it was once probably muuuuuuch more distant to proper Portuguese than Afrikaans is to Dutch, but it is now much closer, especially among the educated urban people).

I don't think the "re-Europeization" bad by any means though

(actually more than anything archaic Portuguese phonology is a tad annoying, other Brazilians should all speak faster, have mid rather than close - sulista/paulista/sertanejo - unstressed and nasal [e]s and [o]s, always practice vowel harmony to more open mid or open-mid [é] and [ó] when close to other open-mid [é]s or [ó]s but never before other vowels, never practice vowel harmony to more close mid or close-mid with close-mid [ê] or [ô], reduce their unstressed [a]s to much closer than usual at about the [é] and [ó] height or more, almost a schwa or a proper schwa in the end of words, palatalize their alveolars until the [Vs], i.e. coda sibilant fricative phoneme, is fully Portuguese (like Hungarian, just not when before vowels) (except when de-buccalizing it in words such as emphatic mesmo -> merrmo) and the [ti] and [di] fully Japanese, deeply velarize their [l]s until it sounds Catalanic or Slavic, and have their [R] "rr"s as uvular, preferentially the trill, except at coda where it can be voiceless velar fricative, NEVER deleting it outside frigging vernacular BP and never doing it as glottal, and people who use something other than [R] there should use only Spanish taps (to be honest and fair, they are cuter than the guttural [R] one) rather than the English approximants, that would be used only in vernacular BP

Rio de Janeiro's carioquês quërióôquêëïx ALL. THE. WAY. MWAHAHAHAHA )

, first because I find the diglossia lovely (even though it makes some people, especially those without access to good educational background most often due to economic reasons, lag in their language acquisition skills and it leads to helping the perpetualization of classism and rankism) and because there is the acceptable level of colloquiality and there is the level of where everything seems to sound like the person speaking is illiterate. European Portuguese, by the other side, sounds so formal it is almost impossible to imagine people really using it on their everyday. Conjugation of the second person as in Spanish between your friends of same age would be so damn weird. x3

[East Ormania]

My first language is portuguese, as i am Brazilian, and i learned everything everywhere, school, family and friends.

I am sincerely curious about the meaning and implications behind the above fragment of a sentence. Tell me more.

I'm not well versed in the history of Portuguese immigration nor what events may have caused them to, but apparently there was a large diaspora of Portuguese. Apparently a sizable number came to Massachusetts and Rhode Island. Most of those people taught their children to speak Portuguese while having them learn English either alongside them or on their own.

Based off of people my age that I've met, a smaller number of those second generation immigrants taught their children to speak Portuguese, but quite a few were taught it, either to maintain a sense of their heritage or to help their kids speak to their family members who either still lived in Portugal or those who simply weren't confident in their English enough to admit to people that they spoke it. Still, though, at my high school, there were a few people who spoke Portuguese fluently (but I only ever met three who only spoke it at home).

According to talking to friends and their relatives (and checking Wikipedia), most of the first generation immigrants are from Azores or Cape Verde. The site also says the diaspora occurred in the '50s, but I know quite a few people whose family didn't come here until the late-1960s or early-1970s.

Wow. But it's like what, very proeminent? You can actually hear people talking Portuguese on the streets? Or are those people very rare and only speak at home?

[Starkiller101]

Mine was english

[Eastfield Lodge]

Only fully fluent in English. Semi-fluent in Urdu, which was sort of my first language (I could count to 10 in Urdu before I could do it in English). Pretty much forgotten all my French, and I know a little Spanish.

[Legendardisch]

The one and only great language, Dutch.