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What kind of Atheist are you?

Atheist (within a very reasonable margin of error)
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25%
Bright
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10%
Antitheist
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38%
Nothing (just as I don’t need to remind myself that I am a ‘non-astrologer’)
22
27%
 
Total votes : 81

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Starkiller101
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Postby Starkiller101 » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:03 am

The USOT wrote:
Starkiller101 wrote: you can be both well i guess anything possible

...cant tell if sarcasm or serious...

Presuming you are serious, yes you can be both without any conflict.
An atheist describes someone who does not believe in a deity.
An antitheist is someone who does not like religion/thinks it is a bad thing.

If anything, they are generally fairly compatible. Few theists for instance would be anti-theists because why would they follow something they consider terrible?
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Postby Kemalist » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:04 am

Kind of one who does not give a fuck about the theological part but hates religions for ruining the society.
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Postby Lordieth » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:05 am

I'm a cognizant reticent often-times hesitant existential introvert but seldom much a controvert-

-atheist.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:05 am

I'm an antitheist.

Religion is the denial of the human condition, an unquestioning worship of power and in almost all cases the support - however tacit - of institutions that dedicate themselves to the continuing repression of minorities. Even the more enlightened sectors of religious communities are taking values that could operate perfectly well within a secular humanist framework and then sticking fairies and ostrich-like denialism on top.

Just say no.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:06 am

Quintium wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:I feel like I want this dude's lunch money.


Do you? I always preferred to pick on kids who didn't look like they'd infect me with something the moment I touched anything they owned.

It was bluster, in all reality I am more likely to be his swirly stall mate than I am the aggressor. It's just the goofy shirt and hat that is not doing the job he thinks it is...maybe I was smelling my own or something.
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Cannot think of a name wrote:Anyway...I get a little weirded out when we start trying to divide atheism into factions. Seems counter-intuitive.


Happens with every faith. Christians have a million sects, Muslims have a million sects - why not people who are obsessed with atheism?
To be fair, though, most people who consider themselves atheists think these 'factions' are all bull.

But it's a lack of faith, I feel it's a bit like organizing different sects of people who don't like football. What's the point? The greatest thing about atheism is I don't have to join shit. Why ruin that?
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:07 am

The USOT wrote:
Starkiller101 wrote: you can be both well i guess anything possible

...cant tell if sarcasm or serious...

Presuming you are serious, yes you can be both without any conflict.
An atheist describes someone who does not believe in a deity.
An antitheist is someone who does not like religion/thinks it is a bad thing.

If anything, they are generally fairly compatible. Few theists for instance would be anti-theists because why would they follow something they consider terrible?

That combination by definition would be a Misotheist.
I can only think of fictional examples.

Riddick for example.

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Riddick: Think someone could spend half their life in a slam with a horse bit in their mouth and not believe? Think he could start out in some liquor store trash bin with an umbilical cord wrapped around his neck and not believe? Got it all wrong, holy man. I absolutely believe in God... And I absolutely hate the fucker.
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Postby Zottistan » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:09 am

Anyway, in actual answer to the op, I'm an apatheist, agnostic atheist and an antitheist.
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Postby Frazers » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:11 am

Chinese Regions wrote:What's "bright"? I remember Dawkins said Atheists should refer to themselves as either "Smart" or "bright" in the same way homosexuals are called "gay" (happy), or something along those terms.

I identity myself as Agnostic Ahtiest.


Christ that's cringey of him

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Postby Frazers » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:13 am

Chinese Regions wrote:
Avenio wrote:I didn't realize atheism was solely defined by the beliefs of four middle aged WASP males.

You can't be protestant and Atheist at the same time.


Northern Ireland disagrees :p

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Postby Avenio » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:13 am

Chinese Regions wrote:
Avenio wrote:I didn't realize atheism was solely defined by the beliefs of four middle aged WASP males.

You can't be protestant and Atheist at the same time.


WASP refers to a particular demographic, which all four of them are part of, and which fundamentally colours their outlooks.

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Postby The USOT » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:15 am

Genivaria wrote:
The USOT wrote:...cant tell if sarcasm or serious...

Presuming you are serious, yes you can be both without any conflict.
An atheist describes someone who does not believe in a deity.
An antitheist is someone who does not like religion/thinks it is a bad thing.

If anything, they are generally fairly compatible. Few theists for instance would be anti-theists because why would they follow something they consider terrible?

That combination by definition would be a Misotheist.
I can only think of fictional examples.

Riddick for example.

Imam: Because you do not believe in God does not mean God does not believe in - .
Riddick: Think someone could spend half their life in a slam with a horse bit in their mouth and not believe? Think he could start out in some liquor store trash bin with an umbilical cord wrapped around his neck and not believe? Got it all wrong, holy man. I absolutely believe in God... And I absolutely hate the fucker.
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I was stating more to the rarity and the absurdity of the position rather than the existence of it :p
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Postby Freelanderness » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:19 am

Do you even atheist means?

or antitheist? for the matter... :palm:
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Postby Quintium » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:20 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:But it's a lack of faith, I feel it's a bit like organizing different sects of people who don't like football. What's the point? The greatest thing about atheism is I don't have to join shit. Why ruin that?


True. But there are always people who think they have a great insight that they need to share. And they start throwing that into discussions.
Basically, the people who want a divide in atheism are the people who'd argue about hockey or tennis being better even if they agreed on not liking football.
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Postby Cill Airne » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:21 am

I'm the theist kind of atheist. :P
I was just wondering what "bright" meant - could someone explain that more to me?
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Postby Risottia » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:22 am

Chinese Regions wrote:
Avenio wrote:I didn't realize atheism was solely defined by the beliefs of four middle aged WASP males.

You can't be protestant and Atheist at the same time.

Who said atheists can't protest against Catholicism?
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Postby Risottia » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:24 am

Freelanderness wrote:Do you even atheist means?

or antitheist? for the matter... :palm:


Do it again Jesus, only in English please.

:blink:
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Postby Freelanderness » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:25 am

Avenio wrote:I didn't realize atheism was solely defined by the beliefs of four middle aged WASP males.

Can't have women contributing any new ideas to the movements. (ha, then they'd maybe have to apply critical thinking to something other than religion, like gender equality or something crazy like that)

and ha! they only feature anyone who's not white when they're from Pakistan or somewhere and denounce Islam because it apparently kills babies.

But there's no reason that people generally few atheists as assholes... none at all. :roll: yes i'm an atheist. i'm anti-all-existing-religions. I'm just sick as shit of Racist "misogyny" Dawkins dominating the movement
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Postby The USOT » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:26 am

Cill Airne wrote:I'm the theist kind of atheist. :P
I was just wondering what "bright" meant - could someone explain that more to me?

It is a similar moniker to "new atheist". Its a title to propogandise many of the values common in the atheist movement (skepticism, naturalism, feminism etc) in the same way that "Gay" was used by homosexuals to give a once popular face.

Some people like using it because they are not neccesarily confined into a box by someone they are discussing atheism with, rather than outright saying "im an atheist" and people having misconceptions saying "Im a bright" allows you to explain your stances beyond atheism alone.

Personally I prefer to be upfront that I am an atheist and enjoy arguing, but for those who prefer a less agressive stance it has its uses.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:29 am

Risottia wrote:
Freelanderness wrote:Do you even atheist means?

or antitheist? for the matter... :palm:


Do it again Jesus, only in English please.

:blink:


Omigod. You can't just ask Jesus to speak in English!
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Postby Fionnuala_Saoirse » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:29 am

A catholic atheist that despises the current popular atheist movements.
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Postby The USOT » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:33 am

Fionnuala_Saoirse wrote:A catholic atheist that despises the current popular atheist movements.

Why?
And can you give me an example of these popular atheist movements?
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Postby Chinese Regions » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:35 am

Avenio wrote:
Chinese Regions wrote:You can't be protestant and Atheist at the same time.


WASP refers to a particular demographic, which all four of them are part of, and which fundamentally colours their outlooks.

Britain has many peoples, they might be more Scandinavian, French or Celtic than they are Anglo-Saxon, who knows? A lastly, they are atheists, so they can't be protestant. Dawkins might've been rasised Anglican but he is currently Atheist,
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Postby Freelanderness » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:39 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Risottia wrote:
Do it again Jesus, only in English please.

:blink:


Omigod. You can't just ask Jesus to speak in English!

discrimination. jesus only speaks in tongues, hence why it sounds so weird.

also I was objected to the way that OP defined terms. they're so narrow that debate barely even exists within the confines. I must ask, what atheist actually gives much of a shit about the "four horsemen" today?

EDIT: haha, i'm leaving the grammatical mistakes anyway. Honey jesus don't give a shit.
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Postby Freelanderness » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:40 am

Chinese Regions wrote:
Avenio wrote:
WASP refers to a particular demographic, which all four of them are part of, and which fundamentally colours their outlooks.

Britain has many peoples, they might be more Scandinavian, French or Celtic than they are Anglo-Saxon, who knows? A lastly, they are atheists, so they can't be protestant. Dawkins might've been rasised Anglican but he is currently Atheist,

You missed the critique. It flew right over your head.

We're looking at one specific group here, white males in britain. We're ignoring the entire globe of experience...
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New Manvir wrote:Well, it's obvious the Native Americans didn't really have a history. They were just loafing about, waiting for some white people to show up so the real fun could start.

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Postby Amuricio » Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:44 am

There are no "kinds" of atheism. Atheism is an absolute statement ("There is no god"). Agnosticism is open-minded ("I don't know if there's a god, can you prove it?).

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