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What kind of Atheist are you?

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What kind of Atheist are you?

Atheist (within a very reasonable margin of error)
20
25%
Bright
8
10%
Antitheist
31
38%
Nothing (just as I don’t need to remind myself that I am a ‘non-astrologer’)
22
27%
 
Total votes : 81

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Viinborg
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What kind of Atheist are you?

Postby Viinborg » Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:39 am

As what kind of Atheist would you describe yourself?

Here's a breakdown of the options:
- Richard Dawkins: Atheist (within a very reasonable margin of error)
- Daniel Dennett: Bright
- Christopher Hitchens: Antitheist
- Sam Harris: Nothing (just like I don’t need to remind myself that I am a ‘non-astrologer’)

In this brief poll I have listed four well-known options - you may find another terminology more appropriate. If so, feel free to discuss it. Personally, I subscribe to Harris' view.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:41 am

There's a lot of overlap there.
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Postby Divair » Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:42 am

These options make no sense at all.

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Postby Zottistan » Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:43 am

All/none of the above.

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Postby Viinborg » Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:43 am

Tlaceceyaya wrote:There's a lot of overlap there.

Well, it's all atheism at the core - hence the question.
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Postby Starkiller101 » Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:43 am

Not a atheist but i accept people beleifs
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Postby Quintium » Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:44 am

I'm Euphoric.

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Postby Riiser-Larsen » Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:47 am

Quintium wrote:I'm Euphoric.



I'll second this one.
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Postby Tsuntion » Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:47 am

Could you describe bright atheism?
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Postby Avenio » Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:47 am

I didn't realize atheism was solely defined by the beliefs of four middle aged WASP males.

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Postby Oppressorion » Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:47 am

What's "Bright" meant to mean?
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Postby Viinborg » Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:47 am

Divair wrote:These options make no sense at all.

I welcome criticism, but could you expand on your remarks?
As I said, all the options are atheist labels but with very different attitudes.
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Postby Atvania » Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:47 am

Quintium wrote:I'm Euphoric.


Beta alert.

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Postby Zachsland » Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:47 am

Im a non-atheist :clap:
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Postby The USOT » Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:47 am

Viinborg wrote:As what kind of Atheist would you describe yourself?

Here's a breakdown of the options:
- Richard Dawkins: Atheist (within a very reasonable margin of error)
- Daniel Dennett: Bright
- Christopher Hitchens: Antitheist
- Sam Harris: Nothing (just like I don’t need to remind myself that I am a ‘non-astrologer’)

In this brief poll I have listed four well-known options - you may find another terminology more appropriate. If so, feel free to discuss it. Personally, I subscribe to Harris' view.

...I dont think you fully understand the terms...

Casing point, all 4 of them are/were anti-theists.
That includes Sam Harris despite his odd breif stint of "we should not be called atheists" despite the absurdity of still qualifying as atheists. Indeed though im unaware of him supporting the movement, much of his writing from that time suggests the promotion of groups like "the brights" (with Hitchens being the only one who outright rejected the idea to my knowledge).

Also Dawkins as "Atheist (within a very reasonable margin of error)" I presume applies to him being an agnostic atheist in refference to the concept of a deity, but a gnostic atheist in response to some gods (e.g. Yahweh). If this is the case, once again you have all 4 of them.

What would probably be a better version of the poll, recognising that many of them overlap would be to replace the option in the poll with the four horsemen themselves, and ask people who`s stances on atheism and theism the reader is most like.
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Postby Divair » Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:48 am

Viinborg wrote:
Divair wrote:These options make no sense at all.

I welcome criticism, but could you expand on your remarks?
As I said, all the options are atheist labels but with very different attitudes.

There are no "kinds" of atheism.

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Postby Chinese Regions » Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:49 am

What's "bright"? I remember Dawkins said Atheists should refer to themselves as either "Smart" or "bright" in the same way homosexuals are called "gay" (happy), or something along those terms.

I identity myself as Agnostic Ahtiest.
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Postby The Great Trade Republic » Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:49 am

The stereotypical kind.

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Ardavia
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Postby Ardavia » Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:49 am

Are these choices supposed to be this.. vague?
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Postby Starkiller101 » Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:50 am

The Great Trade Republic wrote:The stereotypical kind.
which is :?:
Real Name: Chris or Christopher pick whichever you want.

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Postby The USOT » Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:50 am

Avenio wrote:I didn't realize atheism was solely defined by the beliefs of four middle aged WASP males.

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Contrary to the propaganda, we live in probably the least materialistic culture in history. If we cared about the things of the world, we would treat them quite differently. We would be concerned with their materiality. We would be interested in their beginnings and their ends, before and after they left our grasp.

Peter Timmerman, “Defending Materialism"

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Postby Riiser-Larsen » Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:50 am

Divair wrote:
Viinborg wrote:I welcome criticism, but could you expand on your remarks?
As I said, all the options are atheist labels but with very different attitudes.

There are no "kinds" of atheism.


Well, that's not really true. There are passive atheists, and aggressive atheists, and the weird bunch of atheists (people who are atheists because they think it's "cool").

Of course, none of those really fit in the categories, and a lot of atheists borrow traits from the different groups.
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Fun Quotes:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:I'm pretty tired of discussing serious issues in a serious manner with people who are so divorced from reality that the marriage was not only annulled, any historical records or witnesses to the original marriage were drawn, quartered, burnt, and then boiled in acid and served to hogs.

Thafoo wrote:So I guess leaving a negative environmental footprint now makes you a killer?

This just in: all cows are Hitlers. McDonald's releases the Heilburger.

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Postby Risottia » Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:50 am

I belong to the "evil devious eurocommie baby-eating" type of Atheist.
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Postby Quintium » Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:50 am

Atvania wrote:
Quintium wrote:I'm Euphoric.


Beta alert.


You can say that again. The funniest part - or the most depressing part, depending on which way you look at it - is that there are actually people who think like that.
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Postby Trotskylvania » Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:50 am

Ultimately, I'm an anti-theist at heart.
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