Autistic boy's noise leads to eviction notice

[Ostroeuropa]

Either that or it would have instilled him with hatred for the world, and he'd make a living by robbing and murdering innocent people.

Isn't it fun making up bullshit?

Yeah, no. It would've taught him that he's not an unique snowflake and that he can't do whatever he wants. He could've learnt to behave, he could've learnt how to study and he could be in unversity right now.

But noooo, we must let these kids do whatever they want! It's much better to let them do whatever they want, because trying to fix their flaws would be ebul racist sickophobia! It's much better that the child in question never learnt to behave like a sensible person and is living on government benefits with no future, rite?

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To be fair, he's got the ghost of a point here.
Most of the people with autism are capable, if they apply themselves and are given good guidance, with functioning in society by the time they are adults. But that doesn't seem to be the governments focus. That should change.


The thing is, it doesn't matter how "Good" a parent you are if you don't know anything about autism. And the government isn't particularly helpful with that.
They just throw money at it.

[Nevanmaa]

i hate to tell you this but beating kids with ADHD and autism into being normal has been pretty much empirically proven to not work though i am sure scaring the shit out of kids is a great way to make them not shake

I'm not talking about beating, I'm talking about generally teaching them to behave. Corporal punishment is just one method, rewards, discussion and other methods are just as valid as well.

What I'm trying to say that parents should not accomodate their children's abnormal habits and let them do whatever they want. Instead, they should guide them to become functioning and succesful members of the society by teaching them to get rid of their less positive traits.

[Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic]

It really depends, I don't really know a lot about you or your history so it's kind of hard to tell.

A kid in my elementary school had AD/HD

Hell, I plan to live off the Governments money. (Don't get the wrong idea, I'm joining the Coast Guard, not leeching off the system.)

[Vitaphone Racing]

I've got aspergers.
I can't prove it but most of you who've debated with me regularly probably suspect it already.

I'm pretty high functioning on the spectrum.
Throughout my childhood I was always put in the same category as the kids with actual autism instead of aspergers (Because the government is pretty shit and it took them a while to separate the two.).
Because of that, I know a lot of kids like this, and also have a similar condition.


Those kids are really aggravating when they are being loud.
I know how that sounds. I'm sure if it's your kid and you get to know them they are lovely, sincerely.

So this IS a problem for the other residents. But, I'm not at all convinced we can justify eviction. This is something that, as a society, we should help with by funding soundproofing of the walls.

And Hippo, for fucks sake man.
If you're a troll, you're the best troll ever (Seriously. I actually like trolls. I find them funny). If you're serious and these are your actual opinions, then fuck man.

As a society, it'd be preferable to find them another actual house where they don't disturb other people instead of making forced renovations to an apartment that isn't actually theirs.

[Pacifornia]

Either that or it would have instilled him with hatred for the world, and he'd make a living by robbing and murdering innocent people.

Isn't it fun making up bullshit?

Yeah, no. It would've taught him that he's not an unique snowflake and that he can't do whatever he wants. He could've learnt to behave, he could've learnt how to study and he could be in unversity right now.

But noooo, we must let these kids do whatever they want! It's much better to let them do whatever they want, because trying to fix their flaws would be ebul racist sickophobia! It's much better that the child in question never learnt to behave like a sensible person and is living on government benefits with no future, rite?

Yeah I had ADHD and with the help of adderall, my study habits improved and I made it to the top 20% of my high school class, ending up at a UC. My parents never told me to "stop acting special".

[Lerodan Chinamerica]

OP has massively overreacted. They're not being 'discriminated' against at all; the tenants are having their lives disturbed by a neighbour next door, so they have every right to file a complaint. The parents are selfish if they think they can just ignore the grievances of the other people who share the building just for one kid.

[Ostroeuropa]

I've got aspergers.
I can't prove it but most of you who've debated with me regularly probably suspect it already.

I'm pretty high functioning on the spectrum.
Throughout my childhood I was always put in the same category as the kids with actual autism instead of aspergers (Because the government is pretty shit and it took them a while to separate the two.).
Because of that, I know a lot of kids like this, and also have a similar condition.


Those kids are really aggravating when they are being loud.
I know how that sounds. I'm sure if it's your kid and you get to know them they are lovely, sincerely.

So this IS a problem for the other residents. But, I'm not at all convinced we can justify eviction. This is something that, as a society, we should help with by funding soundproofing of the walls.

And Hippo, for fucks sake man.
If you're a troll, you're the best troll ever (Seriously. I actually like trolls. I find them funny). If you're serious and these are your actual opinions, then fuck man.

As a society, it'd be preferable to find them another actual house where they don't disturb other people instead of making forced renovations to an apartment that isn't actually theirs.

Would you make them leave town?
I mean, how far exactly would we be forcing them to move.

Because functionally, if we forced them out and there were no other houses in town for sale, you would be running them out of town.

How far do we make this family move before we decide maybe it's too cold hearted and we should just pay for the soundproofing.
The kid has autism. He's not going to like moving. It's going to cause him stress.
It's not going to ruin his life or anything, but he'll be upset for months.

[Souseiseki]

Yeah, no. It would've taught him that he's not an unique snowflake and that he can't do whatever he wants. He could've learnt to behave, he could've learnt how to study and he could be in unversity right now.

But noooo, we must let these kids do whatever they want! It's much better to let them do whatever they want, because trying to fix their flaws would be ebul racist sickophobia! It's much better that the child in question never learnt to behave like a sensible person and is living on government benefits with no future, rite?

...
To be fair, he's got the ghost of a point here.
Most of the people with autism are capable, if they apply themselves and are given good guidance, with functioning in society by the time they are adults. But that doesn't seem to be the governments focus. That should change.


The thing is, it doesn't matter how "Good" a parent you are if you don't know anything about autism. And the government isn't particularly helpful with that.
They just throw money at it.

i feel like we've had vastly different experiences in terms our experiences related to the government and autism and i'm not sure how much of it boils down to personal experience and how much of it comes down to devolution

[Nevanmaa]

...
To be fair, he's got the ghost of a point here.
Most of the people with autism are capable, if they apply themselves and are given good guidance, with functioning in society by the time they are adults. But that doesn't seem to be the governments focus. That should change.


The thing is, it doesn't matter how "Good" a parent you are if you don't know anything about autism.

One could argue that I'm autistic, simply because I've used countless hours in making factbooks for Hippostania; something that an average person would most likely not do.

Despite that, I'm a perfectly functioning member of the society, who has never had problems with socialization, studying and so on. Why? Most likely because my parents taught me to behave. If my parents had been some liberals like the parents in OP's post, I would've never learnt to behave and I probably wouldn't be here where I am right now.

I do agree that instead of thinking "we can't fix these people, let's just try to tolerate them and put them in special needs classes to rot", we should think that "these people can be taught to become perfectly functioning members of our society with jobs, relationships and a bright future".

[Lerodan Chinamerica]

...
To be fair, he's got the ghost of a point here.
Most of the people with autism are capable, if they apply themselves and are given good guidance, with functioning in society by the time they are adults. But that doesn't seem to be the governments focus. That should change.


The thing is, it doesn't matter how "Good" a parent you are if you don't know anything about autism.

One could argue that I'm autistic, simply because I've used countless hours in making factbooks for Hippostania; something that an average person would most likely not do.

Despite that, I'm a perfectly functioning member of the society, who has never had problems with socialization, studying and so on. Why? Most likely because my parents taught me to behave. If my parents had been some liberals like the parents in OP's post, I would've never learnt to behave and I probably wouldn't be here where I am right now.

I do agree that instead of thinking "we can't fix these people, let's just try to tolerate them", we should think that "these people can be fixed, they can become perfectly functioning members of our society with jobs, relationships and a bright future".

You have literally no idea whatsoever what autistic kids go through. You can't just teach them 'how to behave'. It doesn't work like that!

[Souseiseki]

One could argue that I'm autistic, simply because I've used countless hours in making factbooks for Hippostania; something that an average person would most likely not do.
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not really no

[Wisconsin9]

...
To be fair, he's got the ghost of a point here.
Most of the people with autism are capable, if they apply themselves and are given good guidance, with functioning in society by the time they are adults. But that doesn't seem to be the governments focus. That should change.


The thing is, it doesn't matter how "Good" a parent you are if you don't know anything about autism.

One could argue that I'm autistic, simply because I've used countless hours in making factbooks for Hippostania; something that an average person would most likely not do.

Despite that, I'm a perfectly functioning member of the society, who has never had problems with socialization, studying and so on. Why? Most likely because my parents taught me to behave. If my parents had been some liberals like the parents in OP's post, I would've never learnt to behave and I probably wouldn't be here where I am right now.

I do agree that instead of thinking "we can't fix these people, let's just try to tolerate them and put them in special needs classes to rot", we should think that "these people can be taught to become perfectly functioning members of our society with jobs, relationships and a bright future".

... we're accepting an internet self-diagnosis based entirely on something not particularly uncommon as evidence in a debate now?

[Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic]

...
To be fair, he's got the ghost of a point here.
Most of the people with autism are capable, if they apply themselves and are given good guidance, with functioning in society by the time they are adults. But that doesn't seem to be the governments focus. That should change.


The thing is, it doesn't matter how "Good" a parent you are if you don't know anything about autism.

I think hippo is Rush Limbaugh in disguise.

[Pacifornia]

One could argue that I'm autistic, simply because I've used countless hours in making factbooks for Hippostania; something that an average person would most likely not do.
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not really no

My mom thinks I have mild Asperger's syndrome because I like to obsess over random things (cars, countries, socialism etc.). Heck I just think it's what makes me special and it doesn't affect anyone around me negatively. Seriously though, my habits annoy me sometimes

[Nevanmaa]

You have literally no idea whatsoever what autistic kids go through. You can't just teach them 'how to behave'. It doesn't work like that!

Yes you can. Their brains are not so radically different. Claiming that these people are incapable of "becoming normal" is awful, and it's something that we should get rid of.

Sure, they act in a way that most people don't and in some cases it's pretty damn hard to teach them how to behave. But it's possible. Slowly, with a stick and with a carrot, people who have been diagnosed with a disorder on the autism spectrum can be taught to act like normal people. They are not doomed to endless special needs classes, menial jobs and unfulfilling relationships. Well, they are if the current trend of "we must tolerate their differences!!1" continues. These people have the full potential to become functioning members of the society; it just requires education.

[Ostroeuropa]

One could argue that I'm autistic, simply because I've used countless hours in making factbooks for Hippostania; something that an average person would most likely not do.

Despite that, I'm a perfectly functioning member of the society, who has never had problems with socialization, studying and so on. Why? Most likely because my parents taught me to behave. If my parents had been some liberals like the parents in OP's post, I would've never learnt to behave and I probably wouldn't be here where I am right now.

I do agree that instead of thinking "we can't fix these people, let's just try to tolerate them", we should think that "these people can be fixed, they can become perfectly functioning members of our society with jobs, relationships and a bright future".

You have literally no idea whatsoever what autistic kids go through. You can't just teach them 'how to behave'. It doesn't work like that!

They will always have outbursts and such. But there is literally no help from the government in teaching them to be more self-sufficient and functioning. Yes, some of them may not be able to have jobs from their condition, or they may still need full 24 hour care, but if they can be even a little more functioning then we should help them.

[Nevanmaa]

Yeah, no. It would've taught him that he's not an unique snowflake and that he can't do whatever he wants. He could've learnt to behave, he could've learnt how to study and he could be in unversity right now.

But noooo, we must let these kids do whatever they want! It's much better to let them do whatever they want, because trying to fix their flaws would be ebul racist sickophobia! It's much better that the child in question never learnt to behave like a sensible person and is living on government benefits with no future, rite?

I'm still waiting on some sources, by the way.

While you wait, do find me some sources on why allowing autistic children to act like special snowflakes effectively destroying their future is in any way beneficial.

[Nevanmaa]

One could argue that I'm autistic, simply because I've used countless hours in making factbooks for Hippostania; something that an average person would most likely not do.
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not really no

Not really no, as in one can't argue that I'm autistic, or as in "it's something that an average person would most likely not do"?

[Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic]

[quote="Ostroeuropa";p="16950987"[/quote] Government assistance won't solve the problem, and I would hate to pay taxes for any assistance also.

[Wind in the Willows]

Anyone else would get evicted for making too much noise, what is so special about this case?

[Souseiseki]

not really no

Not really no, as in one can't argue that I'm autistic, or as in "it's something that an average person would most likely not do"?

as in no wrote lots of stuff about a fake country alone is not enough to label you autistic. in fact now that i think about it i can think of many many non-autistic people who hive done the same for other fake nations, hell , even entire fake worlds!

[Nevanmaa]

They will always have outbursts and such. But there is literally no help from the government in teaching them to be more self-sufficient and functioning. Yes, some of them may not be able to have jobs from their condition, or they may still need full 24 hour care, but if they can be even a little more functioning then we should help them.

Precisely. The fact is that because nobody dares to say that there's something wrong with these kids, they're stuffed into special needs classes where they will never learn to become functioning members of the society. That is why tolerating their flaws is one of the worst things that a parent can do to an autistic child. In an ideal world, these children would be taught to act, live and work like a normal person and eventually they would learn to get rid of the traits that are not beneficial to them. The current mindset is "they are permanently broken and we can't fix them": That mindset has to go.

[Wisconsin9]

I'm still waiting on some sources, by the way.

While you wait, do find me some sources on why allowing autistic children to act like special snowflakes effectively destroying their future is in any way beneficial.

Or in other words, "I have none, so I'm shoving words in your mouth to make you look like a hippocrite."

I think we're done here.

[Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic]

Anyone else would get evicted for making too much noise, what is so special about this case?

Because once a person is disabled, illegal, homosexual, not caucasian, or liberal, they are immune to anyone who dares treat them like everyone else. (At least according to the media.)

[The Peoples of Xaer]

In an ideal world, these children would be taught to act, live and work like a normal person and eventually they would learn to get rid of the traits that are not beneficial to them. The current mindset is "they are permanently broken and we can't fix them": That mindset has to go. these kids and their families would be given the assistance and training that they need to mitigate the expression of symptoms as best as possible to try and improve their ability to function in society. The current mindset is "throw money at the problem and hope it goes away."

Fixed that for you, as it is patently obvious you have no grasp of what you are trying to argue, given the complete lack of any sources and single talking point. You've clearly proven that your stance on the subject is not worth paying any further attention to.

As for this particular case with the kid, so as to steer back in the direction of the topic before a mod barges in yelling to STAY ON TARGET OMG, here's what I'd like to know: The parents KNOW their child has these issues. It doesn't take much to realize that a child bouncing around on a trampoline on the second floor of a building is going to carry loud and clear through the floor/ceiling/walls to nearby units.

So why didn't they take the simple, most obvious solution that'd make everybody happy and get a ground floor unit? Seriously, that would solve the problem from the start.