The Hitler Speech They Don't Want You To Hear

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Nope, not millions. just a few hundred thousand. Also, I would like to apologize for the exceptionally poor history lessons in my country. As far as I recall the second world war tends to get somewhat glanced over...

No. Hitler and his Nazi cronies killed millions and planned on killing more.

Just look up "The Hunger Plan" and you'll see what I mean.

According to the wiki stats (and I'll concede this is a really difficult subject to get a solid read on) - the total number of Dutch deaths during WW2, military and civilian, that are attributed to the Nazis come out to somewhere between 550 and 600 thousand. That's not millions, but proportionately, that's really, really bad - worse than France had.
The Starvation plan would have gone further, but thankfully, it didn't last long enough.

[Gidgetisms]

I love how a thread about Nazi economics has devolved into "the Holocaust never happened"

[Pacifornia]

Wait under what circumstance? I'm rusty on my WWII history, it's been a while since I went over modern world history

For why Hitler declared war on the US? Can't remember at the moment, just know that he did on December 11th, 1941.

No no no, why we (USA) would declare on him in 1942? I know about Pearl Harbor and the axis pinky promise

[The Bourbon Parishes]

When I took my history class we spent a whole month one WWII, but that was an AP class. The regular classes don't spend near as much time or go as far into detail as I think they should

[The Tiger Kingdom]

For why Hitler declared war on the US? Can't remember at the moment, just know that he did on December 11th, 1941.

I believe it was to join the Japanese against the US after the attack on Pearl Harbor which was only 4 days prior.
Pearl Harbor was on December 7th of 1941.
I also think his advisers were STRONGLY against this move.

His advisers all told him it was a great idea, because that's what they were there for.
As the record shows, Hitler didn't keep advisers who told him that his ideas were bad ideas for very long.

[Wisconsin9]

So are you saying we shouldn't have gone to war with Nazi Germany?

No but sometimes I think Europe would be a better place with Hitler ruling.
I don't know why.

I will never ever ever take you seriously again.

[Regnum Dominae]

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[Phisych University]

No. Hitler and his Nazi cronies killed millions and planned on killing more.

Just look up "The Hunger Plan" and you'll see what I mean.

According to the wiki stats (and I'll concede this is a really difficult subject to get a solid read on) - the total number of Dutch deaths during WW2, military and civilian, that are attributed to the Nazis come out to somewhere between 550 and 600 thousand. That's not millions, but proportionately, that's really, really bad - worse than France had.
The Starvation plan would have gone further, but thankfully, it didn't last long enough.

Oh, we were just talking about the Dutch. Well, shit, now I feel ignorant and a jackass. That is, proportionately, godawful amounts of Dutch folks.

And I can agree with that last sentiment.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

Nope, not millions. just a few hundred thousand. Also, I would like to apologize for the exceptionally poor history lessons in my country. As far as I recall the second world war tends to get somewhat glanced over...

If it makes you feel better, where I come from, no one could tell you where the Netherlands was on a map

They would probably look for "Dutch" On a map first

Well, to be fair, why does Holland have all those damn demonyms? Most countries just have one!

[Krazakistan]

For why Hitler declared war on the US? Can't remember at the moment, just know that he did on December 11th, 1941.

I believe it was to join the Japanese against the US after the attack on Pearl Harbor which was only 4 days prior.
Pearl Harbor was on December 7th of 1941.
I also think his advisers were STRONGLY against this move.

From my brief glance over on wiki, it was because Hitler was pissed off that the US Navy was attacking Kriegsmarine submarines and seizing German merchant marine vessels.

[Tahar Joblis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G57GKUtWzNs

I saw this video with a speech with Hitler.

It's about Hitler saying that Americans forced European nations to go in war against Germany.
With economic sanctions.

I know Hitler killed millions of people, but his economic should be looked at because they helped Germany to get rid of most economic problems like unemployment and poverty.

1. Germany actually started the war.

2. The UK was the premier military and political power in the world, and had a powerful internal faction opposed to allowing Germany to re-arm at all, even before Hitler's rise to power. The UK was also closely allied to France, as it had been in WWI; and France was preparing for the next war with Germany.

3. Communists and Nazis were opposed ideologically on a fundamental and irreconcilable level. Even if Hitler had not attacked the USSR first, war between Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia was going to happen sooner or later. But Hitler did attack the USSR first.

4. The policy of appeasement was alive and well in European countries up until the forcible invasion of Poland. And somewhat beyond. In spite of a declaration of war, France and Britain didn't actually do much until after Poland got hung out to dry. Waited, in fact, until France itself was invaded to start any serious offensive.

The Ally that could have been diplomatically eased away from taking a stand against German expansionist policy was the United States itself. Yes, FDR himself was opposed to Hitler, saw the war coming, and spend quite a bit of time politically positioning Germany in a poor light; but his main audience and the one he needed to exert the most effort to convince was the American public, not European rulers, and there were plenty of American politicians who, had they been president, would have been more interested in isolationism.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

No but sometimes I think Europe would be a better place with Hitler ruling.
I don't know why.

I will never ever ever take you seriously again.

...Why would you ever have done so?
Haven't you noticed that every thread he starts is kind of a clusterfuck?

[Wisconsin9]

I believe it was to join the Japanese against the US after the attack on Pearl Harbor which was only 4 days prior.
Pearl Harbor was on December 7th of 1941.
I also think his advisers were STRONGLY against this move.

From my brief glance over on wiki, it was because Hitler was pissed off that the US Navy was attacking Kriegsmarine submarines and seizing German merchant marine vessels.

It was still stupid of him.

[Genivaria]

I believe it was to join the Japanese against the US after the attack on Pearl Harbor which was only 4 days prior.
Pearl Harbor was on December 7th of 1941.
I also think his advisers were STRONGLY against this move.

His advisers all told him it was a great idea, because that's what they were there for.
As the record shows, Hitler didn't keep advisers who told him that his ideas were bad ideas for very long.

.....Why weren't he and Stalin BPFF's (Best Psychopath Friends Forever) again?

[Atomosea]

How hard is it to believe that when you force hundreds of people into a gas chamber everyday to kill them the total number of killed adds up fast?

Not so hard[,] but why did[n't] any nation not do something about [it]?

Because the Holocaust and related persecution were one of Nazi Germany's best-kept secrets, and... and... *silent flabbergasted fish-like mouth movements and gestures for several minutes*

... My God.

I'm actually speaking to this guy. Okay, that's it. I'm done. Hangin' up the keyboard. Good night, Nurse.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

I believe it was to join the Japanese against the US after the attack on Pearl Harbor which was only 4 days prior.
Pearl Harbor was on December 7th of 1941.
I also think his advisers were STRONGLY against this move.

From my brief glance over on wiki, it was because Hitler was pissed off that the US Navy was attacking Kriegsmarine submarines and seizing German merchant marine vessels.

Attacking German subs? Or defending US ships going to Britain from the predations of said submarines? An important distinction.
Pretty sure we weren't taking actual proactive offensive actions against the U-Boats yet - we were just attacking them when they started firing torpedoes.

[Wisconsin9]

I will never ever ever take you seriously again.

...Why would you ever have done so?
Haven't you noticed that every thread he starts is kind of a clusterfuck?

Of course. I haven't been taking him very seriously, this is just the point where I never will to any degree.

[Gidgetisms]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G57GKUtWzNs

I saw this video with a speech with Hitler.

It's about Hitler saying that Americans forced European nations to go in war against Germany.
With economic sanctions.

I know Hitler killed millions of people, but his economic should be looked at because they helped Germany to get rid of most economic problems like unemployment and poverty.

1. Germany actually started the war.

2. The UK was the premier military and political power in the world, and had a powerful internal faction opposed to allowing Germany to re-arm at all, even before Hitler's rise to power. The UK was also closely allied to France, as it had been in WWI; and France was preparing for the next war with Germany.

3. Communists and Nazis were opposed ideologically on a fundamental and irreconcilable level. Even if Hitler had not attacked the USSR first, war between Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia was going to happen sooner or later. But Hitler did attack the USSR first.

4. The policy of appeasement was alive and well in European countries up until the forcible invasion of Poland. And somewhat beyond. In spite of a declaration of war, France and Britain didn't actually do much until after Poland got hung out to dry. Waited, in fact, until France itself was invaded to start any serious offensive.

The Ally that could have been diplomatically eased away from taking a stand against German expansionist policy was the United States itself. Yes, FDR himself was opposed to Hitler, saw the war coming, and spend quite a bit of time politically positioning Germany in a poor light; but his main audience and the one he needed to exert the most effort to convince was the American public, not European rulers.

Political scientists were actually predicting a second Great War as soon as the rearmament campaign started.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

His advisers all told him it was a great idea, because that's what they were there for.
As the record shows, Hitler didn't keep advisers who told him that his ideas were bad ideas for very long.

.....Why weren't he and Stalin BBPF's (Best Psychopath Friends Forever) again?

This was really surprising to me when I found it out - apparently, (according to a book written by a history professor I once had), Hitler actually admired Stalin a great deal on a dictator-to-dictator level.
He just hated everything else about Stalin besides his ability to rule with an iron fist.

[The Treorai]

His advisers all told him it was a great idea, because that's what they were there for.
As the record shows, Hitler didn't keep advisers who told him that his ideas were bad ideas for very long.

.....Why weren't he and Stalin BBPF's (Best Psychopath Friends Forever) again?

Because Nazi political philosophy shit on Communism more than the GOP today, and because of Operation: Barbarossa.

[Zepplien]

If it makes you feel better, where I come from, no one could tell you where the Netherlands was on a map

They would probably look for "Dutch" On a map first

Well, to be fair, why does Holland have all those damn demonyms? Most countries just have one!

Holland is one of the provinces
From what I understand (and feel free to correct me) it would actually be like calling the United States Texas, or Canada Quebec, or China Manchuria

[Pacifornia]

His advisers all told him it was a great idea, because that's what they were there for.
As the record shows, Hitler didn't keep advisers who told him that his ideas were bad ideas for very long.

.....Why weren't he and Stalin BBPF's (Best Psychopath Friends Forever) again?

That little nagging desire that Hitler had to one up communism and get dat oil, doe. Hitler was a total loon and didn't know that he should NEVER mess with the Russians.

[Krazakistan]

For why Hitler declared war on the US? Can't remember at the moment, just know that he did on December 11th, 1941.

No no no, why we (USA) would declare on him in 1942? I know about Pearl Harbor and the axis pinky promise

FDR and pretty much the rest of his cabinet wanted war with Germany and after Pearl Harbor they had public support for war. Really the bottom line is that the war with Germany was inevitable.

[Genivaria]

.....Why weren't he and Stalin BBPF's (Best Psychopath Friends Forever) again?

This was really surprising to me when I found it out - apparently, (according to a book written by a history professor I once had), Hitler actually admired Stalin a great deal on a dictator-to-dictator level.
He just hated everything else about Stalin besides his ability to rule with an iron fist.

Hitler: "Ya know I really like that guy, as one despot to another he really knows how to keep order."
Real World: You both suck at governing!

[Duvniask]

I love how a thread about Nazi economics has devolved into "the Holocaust never happened"

It's what one would expect.