Seven Year Old "Too Young" For Puberty Blockers

[Luveria]

They are the ones who went to college for this after all.

Well... honestly, I'm afraid that I'm compelled to side with the parents over the therapist. Were I in a position to counsel the parents I would, of course, suggest taking the therapists opinion under consideration but, in the end, I'd defer to their judgement.

In the end, it's the child's decision. They have bodily sovereignty, and no one is forcing the child to do anything.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

I'd let a gender therapist be the one making these decisions for what's best.

They are the ones who went to college for this after all.

Not disagreeing with you but doctors are always the ones to think female guardians are crazy and to be dicks toward them with their "let them get hurt so that they man the fuck up" (same of fathers, generally being of the kind to blame mothers for everything that is similar to what they judge to be faggotry, then they give 5 minutes of attention and go away, so that the child rearing responsibility falls entirely on mothers' duties again) where I live.

And it was thanks to them my autism was diagnosed as being "just a spoiled kid raised by grandma" for some 11 of my total 18 years.

[Olthar]

They are the ones who went to college for this after all.

But who needs college or university when it comes to gender?

I can do chemistry just as well as any chemist, and I can do engineering just as well as any engineer who went to university. Obviously, gender works the same way. *nods*

Psh! The human brain is easy! I mean, I'm a human, so clearly I understand how humans work! I don't meed any education to figure out this "psychology" stuff!

[Luveria]

They are the ones who went to college for this after all.

Not disagreeing with you but doctors are always the ones to think female guardians are crazy and to be dicks toward them with their "let them get hurt so that they man the fuck up" (same of fathers, generally being of the kind to blame mothers for everything that is similar to what they judge to be faggotry, then they give 5 minutes of attention and go away, so that the child rearing responsibility falls entirely on mothers' duties again) where I live.

And it was thanks to them my autism was diagnosed as being "just a spoiled kid raised by grandma" for some 11 of my total 18 years.

I wonder if anyone sees a problem with your stereotyping.

[Olthar]

They are the ones who went to college for this after all.

Not disagreeing with you but doctors are always the ones to think female guardians are crazy and to be dicks toward them with their "let them get hurt so that they man the fuck up" (same of fathers, generally being of the kind to blame mothers for everything that is similar to what they judge to be faggotry, then they give 5 minutes of attention and go away, so that the child rearing responsibility falls entirely on mothers' duties again) where I live.

And it was thanks to them my autism was diagnosed as being "just a spoiled kid raised by grandma" for some 11 of my total 18 years.

Wat? .__.

[Olthar]

They are the ones who went to college for this after all.

Well... honestly, I'm afraid that I'm compelled to side with the parents over the therapist. Were I in a position to counsel the parents I would, of course, suggest taking the therapists opinion under consideration but, in the end, I'd defer to their judgement.

Why?

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

I wonder if anyone sees a problem with your stereotyping.

The problem is that we can't sue them after the damage is done, many years later.

I have reasons to be angry, and so does my mom.

And no morality lesson today, please. You have no idea of what I am talking about before you start your discourse over how I'm exactly like the homophobes I hate.

[Distruzio]

Well... honestly, I'm afraid that I'm compelled to side with the parents over the therapist. Were I in a position to counsel the parents I would, of course, suggest taking the therapists opinion under consideration but, in the end, I'd defer to their judgement.

In the end, it's the child's decision. They have bodily sovereignty, and no one is forcing the child to do anything.

With that I disagree. Bodily sovereignty for a child comes when the child asserts absolute sovereignty.

For instance, my son regularly asserts his ability to stay up late (his bed time is already pretty damned late) and I abide him in his decision for in doing so he asserts a degree of sovereignty. When he asks me for something, he cedes a degree of sovereignty. Until he asserts absolute sovereignty by emancipating himself then I cannot permit him to exercise that sovereignty in a manner that may adversely affect either his health (smoking) or his well being (tattoos on the face, for instance, limit job opportunities) until he moves out.

Gender dysphoria and the manner in which it may be treated falls under this approach. Now, granted, I take great pride in cultivating a communicative relationship with my son. I would hear him out and I would seek out therapy for him. Were we to reside in an area hostile to transgendered individuals (relatively moreso than anywhere else) then I'd insist we move elsewhere.

But not every parent is like I am. But every relationship between parent and child is as I've described.

[Distruzio]

Well... honestly, I'm afraid that I'm compelled to side with the parents over the therapist. Were I in a position to counsel the parents I would, of course, suggest taking the therapists opinion under consideration but, in the end, I'd defer to their judgement.

Why?

See my response to Luv-a-liscious above.

[Magna Libero]

Hmm, the "morality" debate is a whole other story, but is this story a good thing? Is it good to do the sex change asap if you have to? I mean start early. On the other hand, I think it's mentally challenging to change sex. I'm not sure if a 7 year old is mentally capable of doing that compared to a 27 year old. I honestly don't know and this seems to be the debate. Right?

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Wat? .__.

One of the women screamed at my mom's face, near me "do you hate him? Do you want to abandon him? Do you need medicine to dope the fuck out of him?", after she explained things exactly like they were. A psychologist.

Most others just said I was a spoiled brat manipulating people.

Others treated my mother like she was insane and that little bitches I have as father and stepmother (who I felt like murdering not twice or thrice...) the ones that did it right.

They didn't seem any different from people who didn't understand anything of what they were talking about.

Perhaps it is a problem of my country, among so many others.

[Distruzio]

Hmm, the "morality" debate is a whole other story, but is this story a good thing? Is it good to do the sex change asap if you have to? I mean start early. On the other hand, I think it's mentally challenging to change sex. I'm not sure if a 7 year old is mentally capable of doing that compared to a 27 year old. I honestly don't know and this seems to be the debate. Right?

That is the debate, more or less, yes.

Is a child of 7 capable of "knowing" what gender they should be?

[Immoren]

Hmm, the "morality" debate is a whole other story, but is this story a good thing? Is it good to do the sex change asap if you have to? I mean start early. On the other hand, I think it's mentally challenging to change sex. I'm not sure if a 7 year old is mentally capable of doing that compared to a 27 year old. I honestly don't know and this seems to be the debate. Right?

Hormone blockers, not sex change.

[Olthar]

Why?

See my response to Luv-a-liscious above.

That doesn't explain why you side with parents over certified mental health professionals.

[Distruzio]

See my response to Luv-a-liscious above.

That doesn't explain why you side with parents over certified mental health professionals.

The health care professional possesses no sovereignty over the child. The parent does.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

But not every parent is like I am. But every relationship between parent and child is as I've described.

Even for parents who don't have the right to feel entitled to that... I think I was lucky I could discount my anger for authority in my pre-teen years in one of them. Who fucked up things for himself even more.

[Distruzio]

But not every parent is like I am. But every relationship between parent and child is as I've described.

Even for parents who don't have the right to feel entitled to that... I think I was lucky I could discount my anger for authority in my pre-teen years in one of them. Who fucked up things for himself even more.

Everything works so much better when folks just talk things through. As the parents of the child in question in the OP did.

I'm sorry things went that direction for you.

[Olthar]

That doesn't explain why you side with parents over certified mental health professionals.

The health care professional possesses no sovereignty over the child. The parent does.

So, fuck knowledge and experience; might means right?

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

See my response to Luv-a-liscious above.

That doesn't explain why you side with parents over certified mental health professionals.

The ones I barely knew living with my mother, and two I frequented living with my father... I think if I ever told one of them my parents were to fictitiously respect my genderqueerness and let me take hormone blockers (that I indeed requested at ages 12, 13 and 14), they would be the first to call government's minors' affairs staff as some sort of assisted degenerate self-mutilation.

[The Tundra]

The health care professional possesses no sovereignty over the child. The parent does.

So, fuck knowledge and experience; might means right?

i don't want doctors making decision for what is best with my kid, i am the parent, its my mistake to make

[Distruzio]

The health care professional possesses no sovereignty over the child. The parent does.

So, fuck knowledge and experience; might means right?

Unfortunately, yes. If the parents choose a path of ignorance then I'd have to, lamentable, side with them. It's their right to do so. The professional, no matter his education, has no rights to their child.

[Olthar]

So, fuck knowledge and experience; might means right?

i don't want doctors making decision for what is best with my kid, i am the parent, its my mistake to make

How arrogant and selfish of you. The well-being of your child is secondary to your ego? I pity your poor offspring and the inevitably terrible life they'll have.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

So, fuck knowledge and experience; might means right?

i don't want doctors making decision for what is best with my kid, i am the parent, its my mistake to make

I feel conflicted.

I love my mother's "mistakes" that most people would oppose but have been good for me to find my limits and identity and responsibility on my own, but some of the ones my father committed or menaced to commit (and he would if my mom wasn't here) IMO should be illegal, especially given its messed up cultural background.

[Souseiseki]

So, fuck knowledge and experience; might means right?

Unfortunately, yes. If the parents choose a path of ignorance then I'd have to, lamentable, side with them. It's their right to do so. The professional, no matter his education, has no rights to their child.

actually there are various times when professionals do have right to tell parents to fuck off in the paths they choose for their children and while this might be a bit troublesome to argue denying medical treatment counts. well, unless you're religious of course, then you can just let your kid fucking die of cancer and the law won't give two shits.

[Luveria]

I wonder if anyone sees a problem with your stereotyping.

The problem is that we can't sue them after the damage is done, many years later.

I have reasons to be angry, and so does my mom.

And no morality lesson today, please. You have no idea of what I am talking about before you start your discourse over how I'm exactly like the homophobes I hate.

This is all I have to say.

doctors are always the ones to think female guardians are crazy

So, fuck knowledge and experience; might means right?

Unfortunately, yes. If the parents choose a path of ignorance then I'd have to, lamentable, side with them. It's their right to do so. The professional, no matter his education, has no rights to their child.

You realize that denying blockers to a transgender child is child abuse?