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Ban Male Genital Mutilation?

Yes, but obviously leave the medical option open.
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Yes, with the medical AND cosmetic option open (when the boy is of age to make the decision himself).
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No, I'm Muslim/Jewish/other circumcision-requiring religion and being cut is culturally important to me.
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No, I'm not part of any religion but MGM is cool with me.
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Postby Vazdania » Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:56 pm

The Independent Isle of Wight wrote:
Vazdania wrote:quite true.
Rituals that make no sense are less likely to survive than ones which offer earthly benefits.

Well circumcision does help protect against STD's.
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Postby Vazdania » Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:56 pm

Norstal wrote:
Vazdania wrote:BAM Look at the vaccine you want.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm

Any vaccine can cause side effects. For the most part these are minor (for example, a sore arm or low-grade fever) and go away within a few days.


OH MY FUCKING GOD A SORE ARM

WE MUST BAN LE VACCINES NAOW!

diarrhea (about 1 person in 10)
fever (about 1 person in 100)
Severe Problems

More serious problems have been reported by about 1 person in 100, within 6 months of vaccination. These problems included:

blood in the urine or stool
pneumonia
inflammation of the stomach or intestines

Clearly 1 in 100 and 1 in 10 is such a stastically signficant amount of ratio that we must deem the argument "loads", loads being an unknown but gargantuan amount of number, of kids getting sick as a valid...nah, just kidding, that doesn't fit your argument at all.

NAOW!
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Postby Norstal » Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:57 pm

Vazdania wrote:
The Independent Isle of Wight wrote:Rituals that make no sense are less likely to survive than ones which offer earthly benefits.

Well circumcision does help protect against STD's.

I see. If you mutilate the genitals, then they can't have sex. Then they can't have STDs!

Brilliant. Give this man a Nobel Prize.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:57 pm

The Independent Isle of Wight wrote:
Vazdania wrote:quite true.
Rituals that make no sense are less likely to survive than ones which offer earthly benefits.

Rituals like the Christian communion, which is a symbolic eating of the flesh of Jesus Christ? That one seems to have survived damn long, without offering a shred of earthly benefit.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:57 pm

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The Serbian Empire wrote:He's been dead for a long time. We're approaching on the 70th anniversary of Mr. Kellogg's death on December 14th.

No excuse. This would be a perfect time to have a discussion with him.

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Postby Vazdania » Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:57 pm

Norstal wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Well circumcision does help protect against STD's.

I see. If you mutilate the genitals, then they can't have sex. Then they can't have STDs!

Brilliant.

:eyebrow: Circumcised males can still has the secks.
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Postby Norstal » Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:58 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
The Independent Isle of Wight wrote:Rituals that make no sense are less likely to survive than ones which offer earthly benefits.

Rituals like the Christian communion, which is a symbolic eating of the flesh of Jesus Christ? That one seems to have survived damn long, without offering a shred of earthly benefit.

Yeah, but it makes sense.

To them anyways.
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Postby The Independent Isle of Wight » Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:58 pm

Vazdania wrote:
The Independent Isle of Wight wrote:Rituals that make no sense are less likely to survive than ones which offer earthly benefits.

Well circumcision does help protect against STD's.
A bit.
Saying that since some men can't be trusted to use their intact penis safely you shall not be trusted to have it... Is quite misandrist.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:59 pm

Orangi wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Early attempts at being hygienic, perhaps?


See that argument has some merit maybe 1,000 years ago.

And the idea got into someone's head long before that. You can't really fault ancient peoples for not being as knowledgeable as people who have access to Google.


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Ifreann wrote:Early attempts at being hygienic, perhaps?

Perhaps. It is true that foreskins were collected from dead enemies on the battlefield in order to show how many were killed. Surrendering yours to a deity would be a measure of your submission to said being, I suppose. Never have understood it.

I can only really guess, myself.


Luveria wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Most Christians don't. An awful lot of Americans do, largely because it's traditional. I've heard that the practice originated in an attempt to prevent boys and young men from masturbating, but I couldn't swear to it.


John Harvey Kellogg (yeah, the cereal guy), was a very strong advocate of circumcising boys, teens, and young adults, and girls too to prevent them from masturbation.

Well, at least he made good cereal.

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Postby Vazdania » Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:00 pm

The Independent Isle of Wight wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Well circumcision does help protect against STD's.
A bit.
Saying that since some men can't be trusted to use their intact penis safely you shall not be trusted to have it... Is quite misandrist.
I'm not saying all males should be circumcised :eyebrow:
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Postby Greed and Death » Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:00 pm

They need a religious exception. Otherwise the religious practice will go underground and result in deaths from infection.
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Postby Orangi » Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:00 pm

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Farnhamia wrote:No excuse. This would be a perfect time to have a discussion with him.

Let's make it a GRRRRRRRRRRRRREAT one!


man i just made a joke like this ._.
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Postby The Independent Isle of Wight » Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:01 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
The Independent Isle of Wight wrote:Rituals that make no sense are less likely to survive than ones which offer earthly benefits.

Rituals like the Christian communion, which is a symbolic eating of the flesh of Jesus Christ? That one seems to have survived damn long, without offering a shred of earthly benefit.
I said less likely they don't all have to make sense.

If Jews couldn't eat vegetables or drink water... They'd probably have died off, or decided that their god was having an off day when he made that rule and start ignoring it.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:01 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Orangi wrote:
See that argument has some merit maybe 1,000 years ago.

And the idea got into someone's head long before that. You can't really fault ancient peoples for not being as knowledgeable as people who have access to Google.


Farnhamia wrote:Perhaps. It is true that foreskins were collected from dead enemies on the battlefield in order to show how many were killed. Surrendering yours to a deity would be a measure of your submission to said being, I suppose. Never have understood it.

I can only really guess, myself.


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John Harvey Kellogg (yeah, the cereal guy), was a very strong advocate of circumcising boys, teens, and young adults, and girls too to prevent them from masturbation.

Well, at least he made good cereal.

While JH did invent corn flakes, it was WK Kellogg, his brother, who founded the company and made into a giant of ... whatever it is a giant of.
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Postby The Independent Isle of Wight » Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:01 pm

Vazdania wrote:
The Independent Isle of Wight wrote:A bit.
Saying that since some men can't be trusted to use their intact penis safely you shall not be trusted to have it... Is quite misandrist.
I'm not saying all males should be circumcised :eyebrow:
I'm not saying you are.
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Postby Vazdania » Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:02 pm

greed and death wrote:They need a religious exception. Otherwise the religious practice will go underground and result in deaths from infection.

or you know....we could just leave it up to the parents and continue as we are now.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:02 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
The Independent Isle of Wight wrote:Rituals that make no sense are less likely to survive than ones which offer earthly benefits.

Rituals like the Christian communion, which is a symbolic eating of the flesh of Jesus Christ? That one seems to have survived damn long, without offering a shred of earthly benefit.

Communion wafers don't even taste nice.

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Postby Luveria » Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:02 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Luveria wrote:
John Harvey Kellogg (yeah, the cereal guy), was a very strong advocate of circumcising boys, teens, and young adults, and girls too to prevent them from masturbation.

Someone should speak to him.

He was a doctor. Unfortunately, that meant members of the Seventh Day Adventist church he was a leading figure in were very eager to listen to his radical views and put their children through his measures which could easily be considered to be torture. But yes, that's when the late 1800s anti-masturbation movement began to use circumcision for its crusade, since in their view it was the "cure" for the problem of temptation.

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Postby Nervium » Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:02 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:He's been dead for a long time. We're approaching on the 70th anniversary of Mr. Kellogg's death on December 14th.

No excuse. This would be a perfect time to have a discussion with him.


Well, all we need is All Hollow's Eve, a chicken, a photo of a loved one of dr Kellogh, and a box of Frosties, a bowl and some milk.
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Postby The Independent Isle of Wight » Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:03 pm

Vazdania wrote:
greed and death wrote:They need a religious exception. Otherwise the religious practice will go underground and result in deaths from infection.

or you know....we could just leave it up to the parents and continue as we are now.
Or not, you know, we could go with the whole body sovereignty thing.
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Postby Vazdania » Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:03 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Rituals like the Christian communion, which is a symbolic eating of the flesh of Jesus Christ? That one seems to have survived damn long, without offering a shred of earthly benefit.

Communion wafers don't even taste nice.

Well mine were so :P
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The Independent Isle of Wight wrote:
Vazdania wrote:or you know....we could just leave it up to the parents and continue as we are now.
Or not, you know, we could go with the whole body sovereignty thing.

So we should stop vaccines then.
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Postby The Independent Isle of Wight » Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:04 pm

Vazdania wrote:
The Independent Isle of Wight wrote:Or not, you know, we could go with the whole body sovereignty thing.

So we should stop vaccines then.
Are there any vaccines that make a sexually sensitive part of your body fall off?
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Postby Nervium » Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:04 pm

Luveria wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Someone should speak to him.

He was a doctor. Unfortunately, that meant members of the Seventh Day Adventist church he was a leading figure in were very eager to listen to his radical views and put their children through his measures which could easily be considered to be torture. But yes, that's when the late 1800s anti-masturbation movement began to use circumcision for its crusade, since in their view it was the "cure" for the problem of temptation.


Well, the circumsicion advocated by Kellogh would disgust most advocates of it now, since it was the skin of the entire penis that was removed.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:05 pm

Orangi wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:Let's make it a GRRRRRRRRRRRRREAT one!


man i just made a joke like this ._.

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