Ban Male Genital Mutiliation, says European Council

[Tlaceceyaya]

Yeah I kinda' do care, nobody waited for my opinion.

Probably because if you ask a kid if he wants to remove a part of his johnson then he's going to say no so you might as well do it when he can't say anything right?

Right?

What part of that isn't kinda' fucked up?

Yeah I get that.

But besides the fact that your rights were violated, what other complaints do you have with it?

I'd suspect the most important thing is what you just mentioned.
It's kind of important to some people.
But other than that kind of important thing, what have the romans ever done for us?

[Orangi]

Yeah I kinda' do care, nobody waited for my opinion.

Probably because if you ask a kid if he wants to remove a part of his johnson then he's going to say no so you might as well do it when he can't say anything right?

Right?

What part of that isn't kinda' fucked up?

In all seriousness, when did you realize the extent of your ... upsetted-ness over this?

When I read the stats of the fact that most of the world has their entire dick intact, that's when. I then questioned, "Well why the fuck don't I have mine?"

And after extended reading I could not find one damn reason.

I don't know about you but as a man, my penis is a pretty personal thing and to consider the fact that someone took a blade to it for medically unfounded reasons kind of pisses me off. Sure there's a couple things I can do to sorta' reverse it and there's talk of stem cell restoration which'd get the nerve endings back.

But I'd like to not have to go through hoops to get my entire dick back.

[The Scientific States]

Absolutely glad. It's about time we realize that we shouldn't perform painful surgery on non-consenting children just to please a sky god.

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[Orangi]

For the record, I'm a christian, I believe in god for sure.

But there's some things I just will not do for the guy, and one of them is willingly removing the skin of someone's penis.

[Farnhamia]

In all seriousness, when did you realize the extent of your ... upsetted-ness over this?

When I read the stats of the fact that most of the world has their entire dick intact, that's when. I then questioned, "Well why the fuck don't I have mine?"

And after extended reading I could not find one damn reason.

I don't know about you but as a man, my penis is a pretty personal thing and to consider the fact that someone took a blade to it for medically unfounded reasons kind of pisses me off. Sure there's a couple things I can do to sorta' reverse it and there's talk of stem cell restoration which'd get the nerve endings back.

But I'd like to not have to go through hoops to get my entire dick back.

Me as a man doesn't exist, so I have no skin (as it were) in this game, but you went for most of your life, I daresay, without being bothered in the least but now, having read that a great many people are not circumcised, you're upset. Well, I suppose that's your right but it seems to me that your constructing the products of orogeny out of the surface aspects of the dwelling places of the Talpidae.

[Farnhamia]

For the record, I'm a christian, I believe in god for sure.

But there's some things I just will not do for the guy, and one of them is willingly removing the skin of someone's penis.

Christians are not required to do so. That was what actually made Christianity a viable religion, the lifting of the Jewish requirement for circumcision.

[Indira]

This^^

Vaccines 'aren't neccisary' yet we still give them out.

False equivalence is a logical fallacy. It serves no real medical benefit

[The Independent Isle of Wight]

When I read the stats of the fact that most of the world has their entire dick intact, that's when. I then questioned, "Well why the fuck don't I have mine?"

And after extended reading I could not find one damn reason.

I don't know about you but as a man, my penis is a pretty personal thing and to consider the fact that someone took a blade to it for medically unfounded reasons kind of pisses me off. Sure there's a couple things I can do to sorta' reverse it and there's talk of stem cell restoration which'd get the nerve endings back.

But I'd like to not have to go through hoops to get my entire dick back.

Me as a man doesn't exist, so I no skin (as it were) in this game, but you went for most of your life, I daresay, without being bothered in the least but now, having read that a great many people are not circumcised, you're upset. Well, I suppose that's your right but it seems to me that your constructing the products of orogeny out of the surface aspects of the dwelling places of the Talpidae.

Do you like your clitoral hood? And your G-spot?
For men, these are removed during circumcision.

[The Scientific States]

For the record, I'm a christian, I believe in god for sure.

But there's some things I just will not do for the guy, and one of them is willingly removing the skin of someone's penis.

Christians are not required to do so. That was what actually made Christianity a viable religion, the lifting of the Jewish requirement for circumcision.

Essentially. Why most Christians still circumcise their kids penises, I do not know.

[Yue-Laou]

Vaccines 'aren't neccisary' yet we still give them out.

False equivalence is a logical fallacy. It serves no real medical benefit

it does.

[Orangi]

When I read the stats of the fact that most of the world has their entire dick intact, that's when. I then questioned, "Well why the fuck don't I have mine?"

And after extended reading I could not find one damn reason.

I don't know about you but as a man, my penis is a pretty personal thing and to consider the fact that someone took a blade to it for medically unfounded reasons kind of pisses me off. Sure there's a couple things I can do to sorta' reverse it and there's talk of stem cell restoration which'd get the nerve endings back.

But I'd like to not have to go through hoops to get my entire dick back.

Me as a man doesn't exist, so I no skin (as it were) in this game, but you went for most of your life, I daresay, without being bothered in the least but now, having read that a great many people are not circumcised, you're upset. Well, I suppose that's your right but it seems to me that your constructing the products of orogeny out of the surface aspects of the dwelling places of the Talpidae.

You raise a fair point, I guess. I more or less started to discover the reality of it when I was 12. I wasn't sheltered and I was free to explore whatever information I desired, so there's that.

I just kinda' want what was mine from birth, ya'know? Nobody had any right to take that from me. Not a single damn person. I'll be fine without it, but it'd be nice if I didn't have to go without. As for HIV risk arguments, condoms and cleanliness reduce that risk too.

For the record, I'm a christian, I believe in god for sure.

But there's some things I just will not do for the guy, and one of them is willingly removing the skin of someone's penis.

Christians are not required to do so. That was what actually made Christianity a viable religion, the lifting of the Jewish requirement for circumcision.

inorite

[Gift-of-god]

maybe if you spent less time bitching about the circumcision cartel and more time creating threads about these issues there'd be more threads?

Blaming me is not a good answer to my question as to why there is much interest in circumcision.

maybe people don't actually know much about disease related to traffic exhausts compared to circumcision which involves the most intimate part of their bodies?

Except people seem to be making all sorts of uneducated comments about circumcision in this thread. Let's face it, a lack of knowledge on the subject matter has never stopped anyone from complaining.

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Because traffic accidents can only be reduced by further urbanization and or raising the driving age above the age of majority. Neither of which are particularly popular amongst voters in countries where the population is already mostly urban or the corporations who rely on selling cars to customers.

I wasn't discussing traffic accidents, but those are anther example. And I highly doubt that people sit there thinking that debate about traffic accident is unimportant because of the reasons you listed. But let's say they are. This suggests that there are societal elements that understand that the changes required would upset the majority of people. Then one of the reasons why people would be more likely to suggest banning circumcision is because they know only a minority would be discomfited. And who cares about the Jews and Muslims, right?

[Yue-Laou]

Me as a man doesn't exist, so I no skin (as it were) in this game, but you went for most of your life, I daresay, without being bothered in the least but now, having read that a great many people are not circumcised, you're upset. Well, I suppose that's your right but it seems to me that your constructing the products of orogeny out of the surface aspects of the dwelling places of the Talpidae.

Do you like your clitoral hood? And your G-spot?
For men, these are removed during circumcision.

no, just no.

[Farnhamia]

Me as a man doesn't exist, so I no skin (as it were) in this game, but you went for most of your life, I daresay, without being bothered in the least but now, having read that a great many people are not circumcised, you're upset. Well, I suppose that's your right but it seems to me that your constructing the products of orogeny out of the surface aspects of the dwelling places of the Talpidae.

Do you like your clitoral hood? And your G-spot?
For men, these are removed during circumcision.

No, they are not. I have never heard that circumcised men experience no sexual pleasure and neither have you. All I have heard are claims that uncircumcised men experience more pleasure.

[Orangi]

Do you like your clitoral hood? And your G-spot?
For men, these are removed during circumcision.

Clitoral hood, yes. G-spot, pretty sure that the prostate can substitute for that pretty well. But yeah it is a fair bit less sensitive without the foreskin.

Noteworthy: Yeah, hood removal and stuff like that, I'm also extremely against. Shit's wrong yo.

So why do we have to do this kind of thing for either one? Can't we just let it be?

[The Independent Isle of Wight]

Do you like your clitoral hood? And your G-spot?
For men, these are removed during circumcision.

No, they are not. I have never heard that circumcised men experience no sexual pleasure and neither have you. All I have heard are claims that uncircumcised men experience more pleasure.

The hood of the clitoris performs a similar glide function to that of the foreskin. (I'm sure you've felt the benefit of it) And also protects the clitoris from keritization as the foreskin does for the penis.

And the frenelum, the uber-sensitive part of the penis which you lose in most circumcisions is often referred to as the male g-spot.

[Vazdania]

It should be left up to the parents.

What the hell happened to consent hm?

When was I ever informed as a baby of getting a vaccine? because I would have said no. But alas I was still given them.

[Orangi]

No, they are not. I have never heard that circumcised men experience no sexual pleasure and neither have you. All I have heard are claims that uncircumcised men experience more pleasure.

The hood of the clitoris performs a similar glide function to that of the foreskin. (I'm sure you've felt the benefit of it)

And the frenelum, the uber-sensitive part of the penis which you lose in most circumcisions is often referred to as the male g-spot.

Can confirm, that shit's sensitive. Least I got that.

I just don't know who got it in their heads that this was ever really a good idea.

[Vazdania]

For the record, I'm a christian, I believe in god for sure.

But there's some things I just will not do for the guy, and one of them is willingly removing the skin of someone's penis.

Christians are not required to do so. That was what actually made Christianity a viable religion, the lifting of the Jewish requirement for circumcision.

actually....

[Ifreann]

I don't even.....WHAT?

Yes, Islam is the biggest circumcising religion there is. And this is the hadith passage from Saheeh Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 72, Number 779.

Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard the Prophet saying. "Five practices are characteristics of the Fitrah: circumcision, shaving the pubic hair, cutting the moustaches short, clipping the nails, and depilating the hair of the armpits."

Yep, this passage is why 70% of the circumcisions are done to Muslims.

I think he was more expressing confusion at your terms.

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...I have no skin (as it were) in this game...

Boo!

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Christians are not required to do so. That was what actually made Christianity a viable religion, the lifting of the Jewish requirement for circumcision.

Essentially. Why most Christians still circumcise their kids penises, I do not know.

Most Christians don't. An awful lot of Americans do, largely because it's traditional. I've heard that the practice originated in an attempt to prevent boys and young men from masturbating, but I couldn't swear to it.

[Tlaceceyaya]

What the hell happened to consent hm?

When was I ever informed as a baby of getting a vaccine? because I would have said no. But alas I was still given them.

A vaccine has very real positive effects, rather than an unlikely chance of not having a negative effect.

[The Independent Isle of Wight]

Essentially. Why most Christians still circumcise their kids penises, I do not know.

Most Christians don't. An awful lot of Americans do, largely because it's traditional. I've heard that the practice originated in an attempt to prevent boys and young men from masturbating, but I couldn't swear to it.

That's why Kellogg supported it.

[Indira]

False equivalence is a logical fallacy. It serves no real medical benefit

it does.

I was talking about genital mutilation which serves almost no medical benefits, especially compared to vaccines

[Vazdania]

When was I ever informed as a baby of getting a vaccine? because I would have said no. But alas I was still given them.

A vaccine has very real positive effects, rather than an unlikely chance of not having a negative effect.

loads of times kids get sick because of vaccines.

[Orangi]

Most Christians don't. An awful lot of Americans do, largely because it's traditional. I've heard that the practice originated in an attempt to prevent boys and young men from masturbating, but I couldn't swear to it.

That's why Kellogg supported it.

Lot of fuckin' good that did.