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Ban Male Genital Mutilation?

Yes, but obviously leave the medical option open.
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26%
Yes, with the medical AND cosmetic option open (when the boy is of age to make the decision himself).
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46%
No, I'm Muslim/Jewish/other circumcision-requiring religion and being cut is culturally important to me.
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14%
No, I'm not part of any religion but MGM is cool with me.
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15%
 
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Postby Vazdania » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:56 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Yes, I was still vaccinated as a baby and it violated my bodily sovereignty.

Circumcision rarely has negative side effects.


Oh yeah, because there is such little negative effects.

Those 'studies' are way outdated!
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Postby Yue-Laou » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:56 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Yue-Laou wrote:Srslsy, every baby should be circumcised just to prevent the spread of HIV.


Arg you just a troll that's being sarcastic or are you being serious?

serious :)
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:57 pm

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Tlaceceyaya wrote:What about stoning? For religious reasons, of course.

Well I personally wouldn't stone someone. But whatever, I don't live under Sharia.

And this is why Islamic Sharia law and Secularism are the antithesis of each other.
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Postby Lost Memories » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:57 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:Infant male circumcision is a legitimate form of preventive care and, thus, should be legal and covered by health insurance.


"Health insurance"? Guess you're not talking about Europe, since most nations have public healtcare there.
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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:57 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
Oh yeah, because there is such little negative effects.

Those 'studies' are way outdated!


-Wait one second please-
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Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
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Postby Yue-Laou » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:58 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Yes, I was still vaccinated as a baby and it violated my bodily sovereignty.

Circumcision rarely has negative side effects.

Ah, but vaccination has positive side effects.

so has circumcision
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:58 pm

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Pandeeria wrote:
Oh yeah, because there is such little negative effects.

Those 'studies' are way outdated!

There are some further in there about sexual pleasure that are more recent (2005, 2006, 2011) for example.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:59 pm

Yue-Laou wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:Ah, but vaccination has positive side effects.

so has circumcision

no one ever died because the kids in their class didn't get circumcised
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Postby Vazdania » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:59 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Those 'studies' are way outdated!


-Wait one second please-

This site is biased.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:59 pm

Yue-Laou wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:Ah, but vaccination has positive side effects.

so has circumcision

Negligible ones, particularly compared to all of the things vaccines prevent.
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Postby Vazdania » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:59 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Vazdania wrote:Those 'studies' are way outdated!

There are some further in there about sexual pleasure that are more recent (2005, 2006, 2011) for example.
Sexual pleasure is totally subjective.
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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:00 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
-Wait one second please-

This site is biased.


Here.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
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Postby Vazdania » Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:00 pm

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Vazdania wrote:Well I personally wouldn't stone someone. But whatever, I don't live under Sharia.

And this is why Islamic Sharia law and Secularism are the antithesis of each other.

:eyebrow: Secularism is horrible as well. But I don't think this is on topic.
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Postby Vazdania » Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:00 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Vazdania wrote:This site is biased.


Here.

a login page?
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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:00 pm

Vazdania wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:And this is why Islamic Sharia law and Secularism are the antithesis of each other.

:eyebrow: Secularism is horrible as well. But I don't think this is on topic.


Better then theocracy and religious laws.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
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Postby Yue-Laou » Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:00 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Yue-Laou wrote:so has circumcision

no one ever died because the kids in their class didn't get circumcised

but some kids have been made fun of cause they weren't
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Postby Vazdania » Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:01 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Vazdania wrote: :eyebrow: Secularism is horrible as well. But I don't think this is on topic.


Better then theocracy and religious laws.

That's subjective :roll:
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Postby Vazdania » Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:01 pm

Yue-Laou wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:no one ever died because the kids in their class didn't get circumcised

but some kids have been made fun of cause they weren't

so? I bet some kids have been made fun of because they were????
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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:01 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
Here.

a login page?


What the hell.

See if the link is fixed now.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
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Postby Souseiseki » Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:02 pm

Yue-Laou wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:no one ever died because the kids in their class didn't get circumcised

but some kids have been made fun of cause they weren't


to be honest "polio and measles outbreak" is on a wholly different level from "lol chickendick :-)"
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Postby Vazdania » Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:02 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Vazdania wrote:a login page?


What the hell.

See if the link is fixed now.

still a login page.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:04 pm

Vazdania wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:And this is why Islamic Sharia law and Secularism are the antithesis of each other.

:eyebrow: Secularism is horrible as well. But I don't think this is on topic.

Do I need to show the hadith in Sharia law mandating circumcision such as the fitra?
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Postby Narthronia » Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:05 pm

There are lots of pages, so this may have been said, but I think that one of the arguments about abortion also applies here:

If you ban it, chances are that it will still occur. It will just not be in a clean doctor's office and not performed by a medical professional.
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Postby Yue-Laou » Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:09 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Yue-Laou wrote:but some kids have been made fun of cause they weren't


to be honest "polio and measles outbreak" is on a wholly different level from "lol chickendick :-)"

so is aids
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Postby Vazdania » Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:09 pm

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Vazdania wrote: :eyebrow: Secularism is horrible as well. But I don't think this is on topic.

Do I need to show the hadith in Sharia law mandating circumcision such as the fitra?

I don't even.....WHAT?
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