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Ban Male Genital Mutilation?

Yes, but obviously leave the medical option open.
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26%
Yes, with the medical AND cosmetic option open (when the boy is of age to make the decision himself).
167
46%
No, I'm Muslim/Jewish/other circumcision-requiring religion and being cut is culturally important to me.
51
14%
No, I'm not part of any religion but MGM is cool with me.
55
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Total votes : 367

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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:40 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
A. Oh, sorry, I don't read sarcasm or jokes well on the internet
B. Well according to this thread with quite a bit of controversy so it appears to be an issue
C. It is an issue since people are talking about it so much.



Would you love a religion that promoted mutilation to helpless children?

It has health benefits?
Its also cleaner.


It also has negatives effects
It also is a breach of bodily sovereignty
It also leaves ugly scars

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Pandeeria wrote: A. Oh, sorry, I don't read sarcasm or jokes well on the internet
B. Well according to this thread with quite a bit of controversy so it appears to be an issue
C. It is an issue since people are talking about it so much.


No one really cares about the harm to children. If they did, they would have threads about dog attacks or diseases due to traffic exhaust, or VOCs in building materials. They would talk about things that actually harm kids, but they don't.

Instead, people will go on for thirty pages about a scar on a kid's willy. Don't you think that's odd?


I'll admit you got a point
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In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Yue-Laou » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:41 pm

This is terrible. Have you ever seen an anteater?

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Postby Vazdania » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:41 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Vazdania wrote:It has health benefits?
Its also cleaner.


It also has negatives effects
It also it a breach of bodily sovereignty
It also leaves ugly scars


It has positive effects.
So are getting vaccinations?
If done properly its hardly noticeable, if not at all.
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Postby The Independent Isle of Wight » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:41 pm

Gift-of-god wrote:
Pandeeria wrote: A. Oh, sorry, I don't read sarcasm or jokes well on the internet
B. Well according to this thread with quite a bit of controversy so it appears to be an issue
C. It is an issue since people are talking about it so much.


No one really cares about the harm to children. If they did, they would have threads about dog attacks or diseases due to traffic exhaust, or VOCs in building materials. They would talk about things that actually harm kids, but they don't.

Instead, people will go on for thirty pages about a scar on a kid's willy. Don't you think that's odd?
Is anyone pro dog attacks on children..? No?

Then that's why we're not having a debate about it.
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Postby Saiwania » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:41 pm

Vazdania wrote:It has health benefits? Its also cleaner.


My foreskin is just as clean as any circumcised man's penis is.
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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:43 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
It also has negatives effects
It also it a breach of bodily sovereignty
It also leaves ugly scars


It has positive effects.
So are getting vaccinations?
If done properly its hardly noticeable, if not at all.


It has negative effects
Vaccinations has major benefits with extremely little negatives
Cutting of a piece of skin, no matter how well done, will leave some form of a scar(s).
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Galborg » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:44 pm

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But they only apply this rule to persecute Jews.
It don't apply to Mueslims because of PC gone sane.
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Postby Vazdania » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:44 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Vazdania wrote:
It has positive effects.
So are getting vaccinations?
If done properly its hardly noticeable, if not at all.


It has negative effects
Vaccinations has major benefits with extremely little negatives
Cutting of a piece of skin, no matter how well done, will leave some form of a scar(s).


It also has positive effects.
So? Same with Circumcision.
Okay? They're hardly noticeable. What is so bad about that???
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Postby Benuty » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:44 pm

This thread is such a sausage fest.
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Postby Vazdania » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:44 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Vazdania wrote:It has health benefits? Its also cleaner.


My foreskin is just as clean as any circumcised man's penis is.

In general....sorry.
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Postby Vazdania » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:44 pm

Benuty wrote:This thread is such a sausage fest.

guys care about their parts....WHAT CAN YOU SAY?
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Postby Souseiseki » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:45 pm

Galborg wrote:

But they only apply this rule to persecute Jews.
It don't apply to Mueslims because of PC gone sane.


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Postby Souseiseki » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:45 pm

Benuty wrote:This thread is such a sausage fest.


thread about penises on forum filled with people with penises filled with penis havers
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Postby Vazdania » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:46 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Galborg wrote:But they only apply this rule to persecute Jews.
It don't apply to Mueslims because of PC gone sane.


actually no it does apply to Mueslims thank you for your concern though

What the hell is a Mueslim? is that like a Muslim that is a moose?
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Postby Benuty » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:46 pm

Galborg wrote:

But they only apply this rule to persecute Jews.
It don't apply to Mueslims because of PC gone sane.

Celebrate ebonics!
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Postby The Free Kingdom of Proprius » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:46 pm

Markevia wrote:I think this is something the member states should address and rectify. MGM is a holdover from a primitive and brutal past. There may be some occasions were it is medically required, but they are the exception and should remain so.

If boys want to get cut when the reach an age where they can make the decision for themselves, that option should be left to them.


Hrm.

Circumcision is better to do when very, very young. This is because it hurts less when you're a baby. If everyone who was circumcised had to wait until they were adults it would cause more pain, not less.

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Postby Rawrckia » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:46 pm

Gravlen wrote:I agree that it should be banned, at least until the child is old enough to agree to the procedure. Preferrably until the child has become an adult.


this pretty much
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Postby Seitonjin » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:46 pm

Benuty wrote:This thread is such a sausage fest.

Did you just.

No.



Not circumcised, preferably against circumcision. Not informed enough to further an argument.
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Postby Vazdania » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:46 pm

Rawrckia wrote:
Gravlen wrote:I agree that it should be banned, at least until the child is old enough to agree to the procedure. Preferrably until the child has become an adult.


this pretty much

Why do you hate Judaism?
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Postby Rawrckia » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:47 pm

The Free Kingdom of Proprius wrote:
Markevia wrote:I think this is something the member states should address and rectify. MGM is a holdover from a primitive and brutal past. There may be some occasions were it is medically required, but they are the exception and should remain so.

If boys want to get cut when the reach an age where they can make the decision for themselves, that option should be left to them.


Hrm.

Circumcision is better to do when very, very young. This is because it hurts less when you're a baby. If everyone who was circumcised had to wait until they were adults it would cause more pain, not less.


Anesthetics?
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Postby Souseiseki » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:47 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
actually no it does apply to Mueslims thank you for your concern though

What the hell is a Mueslim? is that like a Muslim that is a moose?

yes
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Postby Pandeeria » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:47 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
It has negative effects
Vaccinations has major benefits with extremely little negatives
Cutting of a piece of skin, no matter how well done, will leave some form of a scar(s).


It also has positive effects.
So? Same with Circumcision.
Okay? They're hardly noticeable. What is so bad about that???


It also has negative effects
No, circumcision has quite a few negatives and even then is an invasion of basic human rights
Permanent scars don't exactly look sexy. And if it's done for religious reasons the child essentially will always have a religious mark even they turn out to be atheist or apart of a different religion.
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Postby Gift-of-god » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:47 pm

Souseiseki wrote:we've had threads about dog attacks and talked about things like vaccines in this thread

comedy option: people are weird about sex


The interest in circumcision is disproportionately high compared to the actual harm done.

Children actually die all the time due to diseases related to traffic exhaust, yet there are hardly any threads about it. Yet circumcision, which causes (if we assume its fiercest critics are correct) maybe ten deaths per year throughout the developed world and yet there are many threads about it.

Why does this discrepancy exist?


The Independent Isle of Wight wrote:Is anyone pro dog attacks on children..? No?

Then that's why we're not having a debate about it.


Since dog attacks still happen, at least some people are supportive of those conditions that directly lead to dog attacks. Since dog attacks clearly harm children more than circumcision, why are there so few thirty page discussions on dog attacks or any other subject that harms children more than this odd rite?
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Postby Rawrckia » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:48 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Rawrckia wrote:
this pretty much

Why do you hate Judaism?


I never said I hated Judaism.

Should we let Muslim extremists blow up our government buildings in the name of God because it's allowed in their religion (or at least: their interpretation)? Why do you oppress Muslims so?
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Postby Vazdania » Sat Oct 05, 2013 1:48 pm

Rawrckia wrote:
The Free Kingdom of Proprius wrote:
Hrm.

Circumcision is better to do when very, very young. This is because it hurts less when you're a baby. If everyone who was circumcised had to wait until they were adults it would cause more pain, not less.


Anesthetics?

Yea right, when I go into to get dental work done they use anesthetics and I can still feel it. Fuck that!!! I wouldn't want to go through that if I were an adult. It's better done as a baby.
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