Ban Male Genital Mutiliation, says European Council

[Occupied Deutschland]

And how do you expect to catch those who don't follow the law? The only way you could do that is to pull down the shorts of all the children and "inspect" them.

We could educate the kids in sec ed class that if they look "different down there" to report it. I really have no clue, but that could actually work.

"Und thees is the state-mandated shape of your penis. Does your penis look like thees class?"
"Teacher why do we--"
"I AM ZE VON ASKING ZEE QUESTIONS HERE!"

[Geilinor]

you think length of time indicates how central it is?

i mean, i think we're having a serious disagreement over the meaning of the word "central". banning jesus would be a central fucking part of a religion.

Circumcision in the Jewish religion is about equal to Baptism in the Christian religion. Baptism is a central part of Christianity, and people would be pretty upset if they banned that for babies.

Baptism doesn't involve cutting off a person's skin. Also, I believe adult baptism to be better, but that's beside the point.

[The Independent Isle of Wight]

but it isn't really a requirement so the poll is wrong

It shows a high prevelance in the Muslim world, for whatever reason.

From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevalence_of_circumcision
The World Health Organization (WHO) has estimated that globally 30% of males aged 15 and over are circumcised, with almost 70% of these being Muslim

[Arkiasis]

I'm against the practice personally, but calling it "Male Genital Mutilation" is ridiculous. There are medical reasons for it such as phimosis.

[Geilinor]

Banning the practice of forcing unnecessary surgery on people who can't consent seems like human rights 101.

actually children have no rights. their parents have the right to concent for them in legal and medical matters.

We've already determined that circumcision is usually not medically necessary.

[Pandeeria]

We could educate the kids in sec ed class that if they look "different down there" to report it. I really have no clue, but that could actually work.

"Und thees is the state-mandated shape of your penis. Does your penis look like thees class?"
"Teacher why do we--"
"I AM ZE VON ASKING ZEE QUESTIONS HERE!"

I wasn't really being that serious though. I was, more or less, just kind of throwing some food for thought.

[Benuty]

Circumcision in the Jewish religion is about equal to Baptism in the Christian religion. Baptism is a central part of Christianity, and people would be pretty upset if they banned that for babies.

Baptism doesn't involve cutting off a person's skin. Also, I believe adult baptism to be better, but that's beside the point.

This would not be a problem if they would stop stealing practices.

[Souseiseki]

I'm against the practice personally, but calling it "Male Genital Mutilation" is ridiculous. There are medical reasons for it such as phimosis.

there are medical reasons for cutting off someones arm too. but if you did that to a baby because lol i don't think there'd be any qualms about calling it mutilation.

[Occupied Deutschland]

"Und thees is the state-mandated shape of your penis. Does your penis look like thees class?"
"Teacher why do we--"
"I AM ZE VON ASKING ZEE QUESTIONS HERE!"

I wasn't really being that serious though. I was, more or less, just kind of throwing some food for thought.

Oh sure. These threads need some levity though.

Although, in retrospect, nazi humor might not be the best way to go.

[Pandeeria]

I wasn't really being that serious though. I was, more or less, just kind of throwing some food for thought.

Oh sure. These threads need some levity though.

Although, in retrospect, nazi humor might not be the best way to go.

True

[Nevanmaa]

Parents should not be allowed to let their children be mutilated, they can do it themselves once they're old enough to decide it themselves.

[Geilinor]

I'm against the practice personally, but calling it "Male Genital Mutilation" is ridiculous. There are medical reasons for it such as phimosis.

there are medical reasons for cutting off someones arm too. but if you did that to a baby because lol i don't think there'd be any qualms about calling it mutilation.

Obviously. We shouldn't just remove something because it has the potential to cause problems. We'd have to remove our entire bodies.

[The Serbian Empire]

Circumcision in the Jewish religion is about equal to Baptism in the Christian religion. Baptism is a central part of Christianity, and people would be pretty upset if they banned that for babies.

I'm sure they would. I'm equally sure that children's bodily sovereignty is rather more important than some people's attachment to religious tradition.

Unfortunately, one of the groups practicing the barbaric religious tradition is also the group who has terrorized anyone who confronts Islam as barbaric or backwards. That would be radical Islam and they have even resorted to assassinating critics of Islam at times as seen with movie director Theo van Gogh having been assassinated by Mohammed Bouyeri, a Dutch-Moroccan Muslim. The Islamists (Fundamentalist Muslims) aren't exactly reasonable and will even resort to assassination to silence opposition to Sharia law. Guess what is in one of the hadiths, circumcision is deemed as mandated by the hadiths.

[Benuty]

Parents should not be allowed to let their children be mutilated, they can do it themselves once they're old enough to decide it themselves.

Again this wouldn't be a problem if the practice hadn't been stolen.

[Gift-of-god]

Circumcision threads should be nipped in the bud.

Why so?

A) It's a joke.
B) It's a non-issue. Even if we focused only on those things that cause objective harm to babies, there would still be a gazillion more important things to talk about.
C) Since it's a non-issue, why do people talk about it so much? I don't like any of the answers I come up with to that question.

[Vazdania]

Parents should not be allowed to let their children be mutilated, they can do it themselves once they're old enough to decide it themselves.

OH so you hate religion's that say males should be circumcised?

[The Free Kingdom of Proprius]

Circumcision is good because foreskins are gross.

I'm glad to have made such a vital contribution to this discussion.

[Pandeeria]

Why so?

A) It's a joke.
B) It's a non-issue. Even if we focused only on those things that cause objective harm to babies, there would still be a gazillion more important things to talk about.
C) Since it's a non-issue, why do people talk about it so much? I don't like any of the answers I come up with to that question.

A. Oh, sorry, I don't read sarcasm or jokes well on the internet
B. Well according to this thread with quite a bit of controversy so it appears to be an issue
C. It is an issue since people are talking about it so much.

Parents should not be allowed to let their children be mutilated, they can do it themselves once they're old enough to decide it themselves.

OH so you hate religion's that say males should be circumcised?

Would you love a religion that promoted mutilation to helpless children?

[Magna Libero]

The 'circumcision reduces sensetivity/pleasure' argument is unfounded bunk by unbiased standards. Bodily sovereignty is a much better argument.

http://31.media.tumblr.com/4d6486d017706e533d471000fd09403f/tumblr_mn9kvu0Una1qhno3uo1_1280.gif
Number 14 is the most sensitive part of my penis by a huge margin. (I've done a lot of hands-on research into the matter) If I had been mutilated I wouldn't have it.

I just really like talking to you about my penis...
I haven't named it yet, can't decide on a name yet, and once i've Christened it I don't want to change my mind.
It could be called John, then my balls would be George and Paul... Just 'cos Ringo's such a great name for an arsehole.

Damn you, don't post pictures of dicks.

[The Independent Isle of Wight]

VVVVNSFW:

http://www.noharmm.org/IDcirc.htm

[Vazdania]

A) It's a joke.
B) It's a non-issue. Even if we focused only on those things that cause objective harm to babies, there would still be a gazillion more important things to talk about.
C) Since it's a non-issue, why do people talk about it so much? I don't like any of the answers I come up with to that question.

A. Oh, sorry, I don't read sarcasm or jokes well on the internet
B. Well according to this thread with quite a bit of controversy so it appears to be an issue
C. It is an issue since people are talking about it so much.

OH so you hate religion's that say males should be circumcised?

Would you love a religion that promoted mutilation to helpless children?

It has health benefits?
Its also cleaner.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

If you support HOOP, you'll have the JDL on your ass.

HOOP?

Hands Off Our Penises

[The Independent Isle of Wight]

http://31.media.tumblr.com/4d6486d017706e533d471000fd09403f/tumblr_mn9kvu0Una1qhno3uo1_1280.gif
Number 14 is the most sensitive part of my penis by a huge margin. (I've done a lot of hands-on research into the matter) If I had been mutilated I wouldn't have it.

I just really like talking to you about my penis...
I haven't named it yet, can't decide on a name yet, and once i've Christened it I don't want to change my mind.
It could be called John, then my balls would be George and Paul... Just 'cos Ringo's such a great name for an arsehole.

Damn you, don't post pictures of dicks.

If you don't want pictures of dicks, then don't go to the dick thread... As Aristotle used to say.

[Gift-of-god]

A. Oh, sorry, I don't read sarcasm or jokes well on the internet
B. Well according to this thread with quite a bit of controversy so it appears to be an issue
C. It is an issue since people are talking about it so much.

No one really cares about the harm to children. If they did, they would have threads about dog attacks or diseases due to traffic exhaust, or VOCs in building materials. They would talk about things that actually harm kids, but they don't.

Instead, people will go on for thirty pages about a scar on a kid's willy. Don't you think that's odd?

[Souseiseki]

A. Oh, sorry, I don't read sarcasm or jokes well on the internet
B. Well according to this thread with quite a bit of controversy so it appears to be an issue
C. It is an issue since people are talking about it so much.

No one really cares about the harm to children. If they did, they would have threads about dog attacks or diseases due to traffic exhaust, or VOCs in building materials. They would talk about things that actually harm kids, but they don't.

Instead, people will go on for thirty pages about a scar on a kid's willy. Don't you think that's odd?

we've had threads about dog attacks and talked about things like vaccines in this thread

comedy option: people are weird about sex