Does Democracy even work?

[Luveria]

You're mistaken. They don't have single-payer healthcare.

Nobody's perfect.

I am.

[Jack Holland]

No government works Democracy just has the least amount of flaws.

Edgy.

I doubt you're an anarchist though.

True, name me one government system that has worked flawlessly and perfectly and has no problems, downsides, bummers, ect.

[Blasveck]

Edgy.

I doubt you're an anarchist though.

True, name me one government system that has worked flawlessly and perfectly and has no problems, downsides, bummers, ect.

Well, constitutional representative democracy comes pretty close I think.

[The Emerald Legion]

Why? What's so magically special about democracy that it should always be included even when irrelevant or in some cases even detrimental?

Because the most free and prosperous nations have been democracies?

People tend to vote for freedom.

Anecdotal evidence at best. There are too many variables at work to take that as strong evidence for Democracy.

People also tend to be shortsighted, insane, jerks in some way or another, once you leave their sphere of personhood. Leaving anything purely up to the human element is a mistake, particularly if it involves people who are not perfectly comfortable and who do not have all their baser urges sated.

[Draakonite]

True, name me one government system that has worked flawlessly and perfectly and has no problems, downsides, bummers, ect.

Well, constitutional representative democracy comes pretty close I think.

Media influence on the voting outcome?

[Jack Holland]

True, name me one government system that has worked flawlessly and perfectly and has no problems, downsides, bummers, ect.

Well, constitutional representative democracy comes pretty close I think.

Political parties still have the power to twist everything up here though. My point is, you cannot find a flawless government anywhere.

[Liriena]

Nobody's perfect.

I am.

You exist in a different plain of existence, sweetie.

[Nervium]

Edgy.

I doubt you're an anarchist though.

True, name me one government system that has worked flawlessly and perfectly and has no problems, downsides, bummers, ect.

Demanding a flawless system for flawed sentient beings?

Impossible, I say.

[Jack Holland]

I don't think Democracy by itself works. I think Democracy works better with a structure.

[Jack Holland]

True, name me one government system that has worked flawlessly and perfectly and has no problems, downsides, bummers, ect.

Demanding a flawless system for flawed sentient beings?

Impossible, I say.

Thus, no government will work perfecting

[Blasveck]

Because the most free and prosperous nations have been democracies?

People tend to vote for freedom.

Anecdotal evidence at best. There are too many variables at work to take that as strong evidence for Democracy.

People also tend to be shortsighted, insane, jerks in some way or another, once you leave their sphere of personhood. Leaving anything purely up to the human element is a mistake, particularly if it involves people who are not perfectly comfortable and who do not have all their baser urges sated.

You are correct, that's its anecdotal at best.

And while I'd usually ask for a source about that whole "Humans are X" line you're pulling, I'll humor you for a bit.

If humans are as you claim they are, what makes, say, totalitarianism any better? People still run the state, and are easily affected by the Just World Fallacy.

[Nazis in Space]

Because the most free and prosperous nations have been democracies?

People tend to vote for freedom.

Anecdotal evidence at best. There are too many variables at work to take that as strong evidence for Democracy.

People also tend to be shortsighted, insane, jerks in some way or another, once you leave their sphere of personhood. Leaving anything purely up to the human element is a mistake, particularly if it involves people who are not perfectly comfortable and who do not have all their baser urges sated.

Please do explain how a non-democratic form of political organisation will remove the human element via glorious whim of the moment politics by most glorious leader, not bothered by silly things like universally applicable laws.

[Genivaria]

Anecdotal evidence at best. There are too many variables at work to take that as strong evidence for Democracy.

People also tend to be shortsighted, insane, jerks in some way or another, once you leave their sphere of personhood. Leaving anything purely up to the human element is a mistake, particularly if it involves people who are not perfectly comfortable and who do not have all their baser urges sated.

Please do explain how a non-democratic form of political organisation will remove the human element via glorious whim of the moment politics by most glorious leader, not bothered by silly things like universally applicable laws.

Obviously we should welcome our Robot Overlords.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Almost every political system imaginable can work on a low level. A lot can work on a high level. Democracy "works" on both, in the sense that it can succeed in keeping a nation existent.

[Genivaria]

Almost every political system imaginable can work on a low level. A lot can work on a high level. Democracy "works" on both, in the sense that it can succeed in keeping a nation existent.

Is that not the ONLY measure of success in the long run?

[Nervium]

Please do explain how a non-democratic form of political organisation will remove the human element via glorious whim of the moment politics by most glorious leader, not bothered by silly things like universally applicable laws.

Obviously we should welcome our Robot Overlords.

Then I shall join the Biological Resistance, "Kill the machine, smash the computer!!!"

[GrandKirche]

Yes.

Though I think we'd struggle nowadays to cram everybody into the Agora.

[Genivaria]

Yes.

Though I think we'd struggle nowadays to cram everybody into the Agora.

Global E-Democracy.
4chan rules the world.

[GrandKirche]

Yes.

Though I think we'd struggle nowadays to cram everybody into the Agora.

Global E-Democracy.
4chan rules the world.

It's not democracy without slaves roping us in.

Wow. Just realised that one.

[The Emerald Legion]

Anecdotal evidence at best. There are too many variables at work to take that as strong evidence for Democracy.

People also tend to be shortsighted, insane, jerks in some way or another, once you leave their sphere of personhood. Leaving anything purely up to the human element is a mistake, particularly if it involves people who are not perfectly comfortable and who do not have all their baser urges sated.

You are correct, that's its anecdotal at best.

And while I'd usually ask for a source about that whole "Humans are X" line you're pulling, I'll humor you for a bit.

If humans are as you claim they are, what makes, say, totalitarianism any better? People still run the state, and are easily affected by the Just World Fallacy.

It's a smaller sample size. Easier to control.

But even so...

Please do explain how a non-democratic form of political organisation will remove the human element via glorious whim of the moment politics by most glorious leader, not bothered by silly things like universally applicable laws.

Obviously we should welcome our Robot Overlords.

Genivaria here has the jist of the long-term plan. Rule by AI.

[Blasveck]

You are correct, that's its anecdotal at best.

And while I'd usually ask for a source about that whole "Humans are X" line you're pulling, I'll humor you for a bit.

If humans are as you claim they are, what makes, say, totalitarianism any better? People still run the state, and are easily affected by the Just World Fallacy.

It's a smaller sample size. Easier to control.

But even so...

Obviously we should welcome our Robot Overlords.

Genivaria here has the jist of the long-term plan. Rule by AI.

And an external AI, or anybody in a totalitarian state for that matter, knows what is best for me because.......

[Nervium]

It's a smaller sample size. Easier to control.

But even so...



Genivaria here has the jist of the long-term plan. Rule by AI.

And an external AI, or anybody in a totalitarian state for that matter, knows what is best for me because.......

Bye Dave....

[Mkuki]

I don't approve of anarchy or anarchism.

Anarchists don't approve of you either.

Okay?

[Blasveck]

And an external AI, or anybody in a totalitarian state for that matter, knows what is best for me because.......

Bye Dave....

[Ze Destroyers]

I face palmed when i saw the title of this.