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Does Democracy Work?

Yes
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No
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Mkuki
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Postby Mkuki » Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:42 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Mkuki wrote:I don't like that option.


Because......

I don't approve of anarchy or anarchism.
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Postby Blasveck » Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:42 pm

Draakonite wrote:
Mkuki wrote:I don't like that option.


Anarchy is obviously giving the people the most amount of freedom possible... if you are the last man standing.


Please understand what you're talking about before you make any criticisms.
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Postby Trotskylvania » Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:43 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
Whilst it is also true our countries in EU as well as North America had the advantage from assets gained from colonial era plunder to Cold War under-development of the tri-continental.


That doesn't answer the question of whether or not, say, a feudal system could work.

The problem is that Liberal Democracy came about in an altogether more enlightened era, and was lucky enough to not hit any real roadblocks to it's advancement. Most tragedies that happen under it are usually ignored or dismissed as merely the fault of the people, not the system.

Whereas when you mention feudalism, Autocracy, or Communism, people immediately jump to "Example nations: Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, Etc.." And start using the atrocities committed there to ignore any potential advantages of that particular organization system.

The problem with your thesis is that the correlation holds true across development levels, and even across historical epochs. The only partial exceptions are the states associated with 20th century "really existing socialism", i.e., Marxism-Leninism, who still utilize democratic institutional forms and mass political participation in the context of a single-party state.
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Postby Pandeeria » Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:46 pm

I am going to have to go with the option Other, but leaning towards yes. IMO Democracy only works for a set amount of time before things start to degrade into corruption. If the democracy is very well maintained then it could last for an extremely long time but would in the end will still degrade.

However, Democracy is preferable to no-democracy.
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Postby Trotskylvania » Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:46 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Mkuki wrote:Sure it is. Losing the ability to choose one's leaders is very bad.


Or no leaders.

That's always an option.

While I look forward to the day when we can be like Culture Minds, and thus be able to deal with seven billion people on a first name basis, and have a thought provoking conversation with each and everyone in a single day, I'm afraid in the interim we're going to have to deal with some manner of delegation of authority.
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Postby Draakonite » Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:47 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Draakonite wrote:
Anarchy is obviously giving the people the most amount of freedom possible... if you are the last man standing.


Please understand what you're talking about before you make any criticisms.
Anarchy is not a "Dog eat Dog" world.


I doubt that most people would know the word Anomie, that's why i used the word that describes this state in common speech.

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Postby Luveria » Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:49 pm

Mkuki wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
Because......

I don't approve of anarchy or anarchism.

Anarchists don't approve of you either.

Blasveck wrote:
Draakonite wrote:
Anarchy is obviously giving the people the most amount of freedom possible... if you are the last man standing.


Please understand what you're talking about before you make any criticisms.
Anarchy is not a "Dog eat Dog" world.

An anarchic society could be, but that's not what Anarchism means.

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Postby Liriena » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:11 pm

Switzerland seems to be doing just fine.
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Postby Luveria » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:11 pm

Liriena wrote:Switzerland seems to be doing just fine.

You're mistaken. They don't have single-payer healthcare.

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:13 pm

Liriena wrote:Switzerland seems to be doing just fine.

That's what they want you to think.

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:15 pm

Ifreann wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:So, a society that is the exact mirror of what a liberal democracy aims to achieve, barring the utter absence of public influence of the government. Would be bad?

Yeah, basically.


Why? What's so magically special about democracy that it should always be included even when irrelevant or in some cases even detrimental?
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Postby Zonolia » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:16 pm

Well it's the only government system to ever exist...so...yes, yes it does work.
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Postby Luveria » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:17 pm

Zonolia wrote:Well it's the only government system to ever exist...so...yes, yes it does work.

What...? Absolute monarchies never existed?

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:18 pm

Zonolia wrote:Well it's the only government system to ever exist...so...yes, yes it does work.


That's just blatant nonsense.
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Postby Blasveck » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:18 pm

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Yeah, basically.


Why? What's so magically special about democracy that it should always be included even when irrelevant or in some cases even detrimental?


Because the most free and prosperous nations have been democracies?

People tend to vote for freedom.
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Postby Magna Libero » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:20 pm

It doesn't work when the rightwingers or free market capitalists aren't in power. True story.
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Postby Zonolia » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:20 pm

Luveria wrote:
Zonolia wrote:Well it's the only government system to ever exist...so...yes, yes it does work.

What...? Absolute monarchies never existed?

Yes, they have, because a large majority of people supported the crown hence they were allowed to rule...

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Zonolia wrote:Well it's the only government system to ever exist...so...yes, yes it does work.


That's just blatant nonsense.


Not really...government cannot exist unless a large majority support them...
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Postby Mkuki » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:21 pm

Zonolia wrote:
Luveria wrote:What...? Absolute monarchies never existed?

Yes, they have, because a large majority of people supported the crown hence they were allowed to rule...

The Emerald Legion wrote:
That's just blatant nonsense.


Not really...government cannot exist unless a large majority support them...


That's not democracy. That's the social contract theory.
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Postby Blasveck » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:22 pm

Zonolia wrote:
Luveria wrote:What...? Absolute monarchies never existed?

Yes, they have, because a large majority of people supported the crown hence they were allowed to rule...

The Emerald Legion wrote:
That's just blatant nonsense.


Not really...government cannot exist unless a large majority support them...


Government can easily exist without popular support.

Just look at.....well, every totalitarian state ever. And probably monarchies too.
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Luveria
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Postby Luveria » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:22 pm

Zonolia wrote:
Luveria wrote:What...? Absolute monarchies never existed?

Yes, they have, because a large majority of people supported the crown hence they were allowed to rule...

That has nothing to do with democracy.

Zonolia wrote:Not really...government cannot exist unless a large majority support them...

Okay, so the USSR was democratic. I see.

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Postby Jack Holland » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:22 pm

No government works. Democracy just has the least amount of flaws.
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Postby Draakonite » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:22 pm

Zonolia wrote:
Luveria wrote:What...? Absolute monarchies never existed?

Yes, they have, because a large majority of people supported the crown hence they were allowed to rule...

The Emerald Legion wrote:
That's just blatant nonsense.


Not really...government cannot exist unless a large majority support them...


You know, with the invention of things like the gatling gun, the ratio of people who hate the government to people overall, can be much higher without provoking a successfull revolution.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:23 pm

Luveria wrote:
Liriena wrote:Switzerland seems to be doing just fine.

You're mistaken. They don't have single-payer healthcare.

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Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
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For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism,
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Postby Jack Holland » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:23 pm

Jack Holland wrote:No government works. Democracy just has the least amount of flaws.
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Postby Blasveck » Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:23 pm

Jack Holland wrote:No government works Democracy just has the least amount of flaws.


Edgy.

I doubt you're an anarchist though.
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