Should Alchohol be Illegal?

[Luveria]

Some people are know they are better off without alcohol. *sips beer*

Which does not make it bad for everyone. The topic of the thread is not "What do you think about alcohol?" it is "Should alcohol be illegal?"

And I provided a hypothetical example in which weed is the dominant and legal drug, while alcohol is in the illegal one of that world. That could shift things up into alcohol being illegal or not.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Not as such.

[Olthar]

Oh no! My belief that in no way impacts my political views may not be 100% logical! Better call the Internet Police!

Oh no! you said something false and got corrected!

Hardly. You don't get to decide my opinions.

[Dyakovo]

Which does not make it bad for everyone. The topic of the thread is not "What do you think about alcohol?" it is "Should alcohol be illegal?"

And I provided a hypothetical example in which weed is the dominant and legal drug, while alcohol is in the illegal one of that world. That could shift things up into alcohol being illegal or not.

Your hypothetical is pointless.

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Oh no! you said something false and got corrected!

Hardly. You don't get to decide my opinions.

Which has nothing to do with what I said.

[Luveria]

And I provided a hypothetical example in which weed is the dominant and legal drug, while alcohol is in the illegal one of that world. That could shift things up into alcohol being illegal or not.

Your hypothetical is pointless.

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Hardly. You don't get to decide my opinions.

Which has nothing to do with what I said.

So I tried to fight the fight, brought the right weaponry for it, and the ammunition was the wrong choice. I see where this went wrong.

[Olthar]

And I provided a hypothetical example in which weed is the dominant and legal drug, while alcohol is in the illegal one of that world. That could shift things up into alcohol being illegal or not.

Your hypothetical is pointless.

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Hardly. You don't get to decide my opinions.

Which has nothing to do with what I said.

Considering the entire discussion was solely about my opinions, yes. Yes it does.

[Dyakovo]

Your hypothetical is pointless.

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Which has nothing to do with what I said.

Considering the entire discussion was solely about my opinions, yes. Yes it does.

Your opinion that alcohol is bad is factually incorrect. You can still hold that opinion if you want. It just makes you look stupid to do so.

[Olthar]

Considering the entire discussion was solely about my opinions, yes. Yes it does.

Your opinion that alcohol is bad is factually incorrect. You can still hold that opinion if you want. It just makes you look stupid to do so.

Now I'm being called stupid because I don't like something. Truly, this site is the paragon of maturity.

[Dyakovo]

Your opinion that alcohol is bad is factually incorrect. You can still hold that opinion if you want. It just makes you look stupid to do so.

Now I'm being called stupid because I don't like something. Truly, this site is the paragon of maturity.

No, I'm saying that holding onto to factually incorrect beliefs is a stupid thing to do. I couldn't care less whether you like alcohol or not.

[Filthy Ginger Bastards]

Your opinion that alcohol is bad is factually incorrect. You can still hold that opinion if you want. It just makes you look stupid to do so.

Now I'm being called stupid because I don't like something. Truly, this site is the paragon of maturity.

I would not be in the least surprised if someone is selling "I survived NSG" t shirts right now.

[God Kefka]

That's an interesting take on it...

But do you agree it would probably save lives/pre-empt drunk driving accidents on one of the greatest scales?

If this device were on every single car, then there is no conceivable way (if the machine is working) for a person who is drunk to EVER drive a car.

I don't know if it crosses the line into being semi-totalitarian especially if we simply frame it as a safety feature (we already have laws that say the manufacturer must put in functioning air balloons, seat belts, certain safety procedures etc).

Furthermore, putting an breath analyzer ignition lock device into all cars is not a real invasion of privacy. The machine doesn't watch you... it doesn't have a camera installed it... it can only perform one function... lock your car if you were going to drive while being drunk (something we all universally condemn).

Why can't we just view it as an additional feature to make sure the ''right person'' drives the car?

Right now we have one mechanism in place to make sure the ''right person'' drives it... it is the key slot to start the car. The ''right person'' is the person who has the keys... Because we assume that if the driver has the keys then he is driving without violating a certain criminal law (theft etc).

Expand that definition of the ''right person'' to one who is not intoxicated under the influence of alcohol.

The breath analyzer device would serve an additional function to the key slot. It makes sure that the person who drives it is the ''right person'' to drive... that he is sober and not drunk. So the ''right person'' to drive any car would be 1) someone who has the keys (is the owner or someone the owner has presumably given permission to drive) and 2) someone NOT intoxicated and who we have to assume is not going to endanger society in the case he is sober.

I don't think see it as a breach of privacy or over-the-top monitoring of the individual because the monitoring is so limited. Also, it is going to save lives.

How many lives would be saved if a car were to automatically lock itself every single time someone who has too much alcohol in his breath were to try and drive it?

Hell this is one of the best preventative measures ever and it should definitely be installed on every car as a bylaw similar to seatbelts and other safety features...

We don't worry about the government or car manufacturers planting cameras or sound rec devices into other parts of the car that are mandatory by law (windshield, safety balloons, seatbelts etc)... so why should we worry about that with regard to this hypothetical mandatory device?

How will the government be monitoring us in a way that is semi-totalitarian? Heck... the government isn't even monitoring you... the machine is. It just locks the car down if you try to drive it while under alcohol...

Or am I mistaking how the machine works? It doesn't even have to reveal your position to the government... it just has to reliably shut the car down every single time someone fails the breath test.

If every single car in the country had this machine installed... we could at least get rid of one of the factors contributing to death and accident on the roads... alcohol (even if this wouldn't address the other potential substances). No?

What I mean is, even if your suggestion could get to the point it becomes a political movement. Do you really expect such a law to be passed?

I personally wouldn't care much about a breathalyzer lock in my door if everyone else had one. It's just a minor inconvenience. Yes, making cars unable to be driven while drunk, would prevent most drunk drivings, but can you really expect to have such legislation being passed especially in after the NSA things?

Honestly... it SHOULD get passed even after the NSA thing if American voters were smarter. Why? Because it isn't ''spying'' even though its going to sound like it. The breath analyzer device doesn't WATCH you... no government person is operating or monitoring you with it... it's an automated machine that shuts your car down when you are drunk and try to drive. It has got no connection to NSA whatsoever...

And I think it's bloody brilliant. It will stop drunk drivers DEAD in their tracks.

Having said that however... I never underestimate the American voters' stupidity. There are enough people who will draw those connections super fast... ''OMG! They want to install something in my car? SPYING! Remember Snowden?! Say no to big government spying.''

Even though you know... a compulsory device on your car that does nothing except shut down your car when you fail a breath analyzer test is just not... spying in any meaningful sense.

Yeah so I think you're on to something... It's not that the idea is bad, it's that the voters are going to get emotional on this one.

[Dyakovo]

What I mean is, even if your suggestion could get to the point it becomes a political movement. Do you really expect such a law to be passed?

I personally wouldn't care much about a breathalyzer lock in my door if everyone else had one. It's just a minor inconvenience. Yes, making cars unable to be driven while drunk, would prevent most drunk drivings, but can you really expect to have such legislation being passed especially in after the NSA things?

Honestly... it SHOULD get passed even after the NSA thing if American voters were smarter. Why? Because it isn't ''spying'' even though its going to sound like it. The breath analyzer device doesn't WATCH you... no government person is operating or monitoring you with it... it's an automated machine that shuts your car down when you are drunk and try to drive. It has got no connection to NSA whatsoever...

And I think it's bloody brilliant. It will stop drunk drivers DEAD in their tracks.

Having said that however... I never underestimate the American voters' stupidity. There are enough people who will draw those connections super fast... ''OMG! They want to install something in my car? SPYING! Remember Snowden?! Say no to big government spying.''

Even though you know... a compulsory device on your car that does nothing except shut down your car when you fail a breath analyzer test is just not... spying in any meaningful sense.

Yeah so I think you're on to something... It's not that the idea is bad, it's that the voters are going to get emotional on this one.

It is a good idea...

[Trelso]

Honestly... it SHOULD get passed even after the NSA thing if American voters were smarter. Why? Because it isn't ''spying'' even though its going to sound like it. The breath analyzer device doesn't WATCH you... no government person is operating or monitoring you with it... it's an automated machine that shuts your car down when you are drunk and try to drive. It has got no connection to NSA whatsoever...

And I think it's bloody brilliant. It will stop drunk drivers DEAD in their tracks.

Having said that however... I never underestimate the American voters' stupidity. There are enough people who will draw those connections super fast... ''OMG! They want to install something in my car? SPYING! Remember Snowden?! Say no to big government spying.''

Even though you know... a compulsory device on your car that does nothing except shut down your car when you fail a breath analyzer test is just not... spying in any meaningful sense.

Yeah so I think you're on to something... It's not that the idea is bad, it's that the voters are going to get emotional on this one.

It is a good idea...

On that I think just about everyone arguing for or against alcohol legalisation is agreed.

[Dyakovo]

It is a good idea...

On that I think just about everyone arguing for or against alcohol legalisation is agreed.

Actually I'm certain that there's people who think that it is a bad idea...

[Trelso]

On that I think just about everyone arguing for or against alcohol legalisation is agreed.

Actually I'm certain that there's people who think that it is a bad idea...

*Sigh* I suppose you're probably right actually

[Revolutionarily]

all drugs should be legal

[Immoren]

Why would it be ideal for alcohol to be banned?

Because it's bad.

But I need it as social lube. ;-;

[Olthar]

Because it's bad.

But I need it as social lube. ;-;

K-Y Jelly. *nods*

[Immoren]

But I need it as social lube. ;-;

K-Y Jelly. *nods*

I don't think consuming it is as effective as just drinking scotch.

[The Bourbon Parishes]

If it ever did become illegal I would change my name to Gatsby, get rich by bootlegging and throw the best parties in the city

[Szkvara]

If it ever did become illegal I would change my name to Gatsby, get rich by bootlegging and throw the best parties in the city

Hey that was my plan!

[Zonolia]

We ('Mericaland) tried that...heh 21st amendment...

[Arumdaum]

No thanks.

[Olthar]

K-Y Jelly. *nods*

I don't think consuming it is as effective as just drinking scotch.

You never know unless you try.

[Distruzio]

Prohibition works. Didn't you know?

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