Should Alchohol be Illegal?

[The Satanic Schoolgirls in Chains]

Doesn't prohibition stand as a testament to social pressure, as it was lobbied for by a moralist movement?

That's fair. I'd hope any current movement against alcohol would be more scientific, but emotional appeals are unfortunately more persuasive and impactful than logical appeals, thus they tend to come out first.

This is so wrong. You do know drugs have lot of uses in medicine, right? :/

*Needless use of drugs or drugs considered controlled substances of an inherently dangerous nature so as to be restricted from use by law.

The war on drugs isn't exactly working as intended either. But hey, if prohibitionist policies have been failing for eight decades, why stop now?

Why must alcohol remain in common use? What purpose does it serve?

The 'it helps keep beverages free of pathogens and microbes' argument, given modern science and technology, isn't very compelling.

Man, you guys are dense. TO. GET. DRUNK. Get it? Didja know you can get smashed drinking mouthwash? My P.O (Probation Officer) was given me a hard time about drinking so I switched to Scope. Made my breath smell better and he didn't know!

[Draakonite]

The war on drugs isn't exactly working as intended either. But hey, if prohibitionist policies have been failing for eight decades, why stop now?

Why must alcohol remain in common use? What purpose does it serve?

The 'it helps keep beverages free of pathogens and microbes' argument, given modern science and technology, isn't very compelling.

Money. It all comes down to it, eventually. Ban alcohol, you lose a lot of businesses. Breweries, distributors, sellers... And the tax that comes from it.[/quote]

It makes some people happy?

[Anollasia]

No but it does need stricter controls to prevent abuses.

This. Prohibition might get a little extreme but too much of it is bad.

[Luveria]

Doesn't prohibition stand as a testament to social pressure, as it was lobbied for by a moralist movement?

That's fair. I'd hope any current movement against alcohol would be more scientific, but emotional appeals are unfortunately more persuasive and impactful than logical appeals, thus they tend to come out first.

Prohibitionism is based on emotions such as hatred of drug use. There's a reason the US has the highest percentage of prisoners in the world. The facts just aren't there to back up prohibitionist stances. You're supporting making harmless people into criminals.

Why must alcohol remain in common use? What purpose does it serve?

The 'it helps keep beverages free of pathogens and microbes' argument, given modern science and technology, isn't very compelling.

Because people enjoy it and the harm from keeping it legal is less than the harm from making it illegal.

*Needless use of drugs or drugs considered controlled substances of an inherently dangerous nature so as to be restricted from use by law.

People drink coffee. Isn't that needless use of caffeine? People needlessly eat harmful things such as fast food. Why not restrict those things too to micromanage everyone's life to a satisfactory level for you?

[Lunas Legion]

Why must alcohol remain in common use? What purpose does it serve?

The 'it helps keep beverages free of pathogens and microbes' argument, given modern science and technology, isn't very compelling.

Money. It all comes down to it, eventually. Ban alcohol, you lose a lot of businesses. Breweries, distributors, sellers... And the tax that comes from it.

It makes some people happy?[/quote]

That helps, but all a government cares about is whether it can remain in power, and whether it gets enough tax.

[Kumrann]

If it could be effectively banned, I would find no problem with prohibition. Consumption of alcohol serves only to detriment the health of individuals, and its continued use stands largely as a testament to social pressure and conformity.

It and drugs are entirely pointless and serve no beneficial purpose to humanity, but rather service detriment in health costs, lost productivity, deaths, legal and psychological issues caused by the state of intoxication, and various other issues that are the product of the needlesly impaired human mind.

The sad fact is that blanket prohibition doesn't seem to work in that the target users of alcohol are far too extensive to enforce. Therefore, I'd instead support the increased price of alcohol, its removal from public restaurants (or at least requiring that it be restricted to a separate building dedicated as a bar, just as liquor stores are separated from regular grocery stores in some blue law states), regulating alcohol advertisement on television (but not sponsorship) and maintaining current regulations.

Except of course drugs aren't pointless people enjoy them. I won't deny the huge social problems drink and other drugs cause but if you start banning things because the only utility they serve is to make people happy then you can ban LOTS of things. Ban Television as it makes as all sedentary and makes us not have conversations with our families and friends. Ban fattening foods they have so many associated health risks.

Alcohol like all drugs is incredibly bad for you but hey its really fun. Cultures all over the world have smoked, Drank, Eaten things in order to change their mental state I think its natural to want to do so and providing your not reckless you can enjoy it relatively safely. So whilst I like you think there should be controls on alcohol and drugs I think they should be relatively easy to obtain so we can all ENJOY. Which is a HUGE benefit.

[The Satanic Schoolgirls in Chains]

That's fair. I'd hope any current movement against alcohol would be more scientific, but emotional appeals are unfortunately more persuasive and impactful than logical appeals, thus they tend to come out first.

Prohibitionism is based on emotions such as hatred of drug use. There's a reason the US has the highest percentage of prisoners in the world. The facts just aren't there to back up prohibitionist stances. You're supporting making harmless people into criminals.

Yeah. SO why the cops hassle me? I was stoned and drunk and trying to find an abandonded house to crash in, and the cops nabbed me! Pigs! Damn 50! They shoukd mind their buisness and gimme the time. I'd a sobered up from the pot and booze if they just allowed me in an abandonded house!

Why must alcohol remain in common use? What purpose does it serve?

The 'it helps keep beverages free of pathogens and microbes' argument, given modern science and technology, isn't very compelling.

Because people enjoy it and the harm from keeping it legal is less than the harm from making it illegal.

*Needless use of drugs or drugs considered controlled substances of an inherently dangerous nature so as to be restricted from use by law.

People drink coffee. Isn't that needless use of caffeine? People needlessly eat harmful things such as fast food. Why not restrict those things too to micromanage everyone's life to a satisfactory level for you?

Yeah. Make it all legal. If a junkie dies, who gives a fuck? I mean, he's just a junkie. No one will give a shit about him.

[Ifreann]

If it could be effectively banned, I would find no problem with prohibition. Consumption of alcohol serves only to detriment the health of individuals, and its continued use stands largely as a testament to social pressure and conformity.

Nah, some people just like alcoholic beverages.

[Luveria]

Prohibitionism is based on emotions such as hatred of drug use. There's a reason the US has the highest percentage of prisoners in the world. The facts just aren't there to back up prohibitionist stances. You're supporting making harmless people into criminals.

Yeah. SO why the cops hassle me? I was stoned and drunk and trying to find an abandonded house to crash in, and the cops nabbed me! Pigs! Damn 50! They shoukd mind their buisness and gimme the time. I'd a sobered up from the pot and booze if they just allowed me in an abandonded house!

Because people enjoy it and the harm from keeping it legal is less than the harm from making it illegal.


People drink coffee. Isn't that needless use of caffeine? People needlessly eat harmful things such as fast food. Why not restrict those things too to micromanage everyone's life to a satisfactory level for you?

Yeah. Make it all legal. If a junkie dies, who gives a fuck? I mean, he's just a junkie. No one will give a shit about him.

That's better than giving a shit about them now to throw them into a prison for a few years so they emerge a hardened gang member who's now a drug pusher for a gang on the outside to pay for his habit once he's out.

[The Satanic Schoolgirls in Chains]

Money. It all comes down to it, eventually. Ban alcohol, you lose a lot of businesses. Breweries, distributors, sellers... And the tax that comes from it.

It makes some people happy?

That helps, but all a government cares about is whether it can remain in power, and whether it gets enough tax.[/quote]

My unc had a dog named Luna. Good god, a Rotty.

[Kregegia]

I do not think so. But there are some nuts out there that think that alcohol is deadly poison after one sip and want to ban it. Should it be Illegal?

No offense, but that's kinda stupid of what you said. You have any idea what alcohol has done to families, communities and several others. I don't really understand why people will even support alcoholism.

[Divair]

If it could be effectively banned, I would find no problem with prohibition. Consumption of alcohol serves only to detriment the health of individuals, and its continued use stands largely as a testament to social pressure and conformity.

Nah, some people just like alcoholic beverages.

Taste? IN MY DRINKS?

[The Satanic Schoolgirls in Chains]

Yeah. Make it all legal. If a junkie dies, who gives a fuck? I mean, he's just a junkie. No one will give a shit about him.

That's better than giving a shit about them now to throw them into a prison for a few years so they emerge a hardened gang member who's now a drug pusher for a gang on the outside to pay for his habit once he's out.

A junkies a junkie. All that matters if their a cracy junkie, in which case he might stab you or whatever for five cents. I don't really give a shit if someone's a junkie, as long as they leave my bottle of booze alone. It's hard begging for change especially in a city like Flint, ya know.

[Ifreann]

I do not think so. But there are some nuts out there that think that alcohol is deadly poison after one sip and want to ban it. Should it be Illegal?

No offense, but that's kinda stupid of what you said. You have any idea what alcohol has done to families, communities and several others. I don't really understand why people will even support alcoholism.

No one supports alcoholism.

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Nah, some people just like alcoholic beverages.

Taste? IN MY DRINKS?

It's more likely that you think.

[Pacifornia]

Seriously, you just can ban alcohol or drugs like that! People are known to be sneaky and find ways to get their fix of good times (hard drugs are bad imo, pot is cool). So really, prohibition is like shooting yourself in the foot. Need I remind everyone of this? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Va ... y_Massacre

[The Emerald Legion]

You know, I find it amusing how many "Problems" with regulating society can be overcome by omnipresent surveillance and industrialization of rural and wilderness areas.

[Divair]

It's more likely that you think.

You mean people actually drink something other than pure alcohol? Impossible, I say! Impossible!

[Luveria]

No offense, but that's kinda stupid of what you said. You have any idea what alcohol has done to families, communities and several others. I don't really understand why people will even support alcoholism.

No one supports alcoholism.

Alcoholismists do.

[Lunas Legion]

That's better than giving a shit about them now to throw them into a prison for a few years so they emerge a hardened gang member who's now a drug pusher for a gang on the outside to pay for his habit once he's out.

A junkies a junkie. All that matters if their a cracy junkie, in which case he might stab you or whatever for five cents. I don't really give a shit if someone's a junkie, as long as they leave my bottle of booze alone. It's hard begging for change especially in a city like Flint, ya know.

Flint sounds a lot like Jaywick. Anyone ever stolen roof tiles from one house and put them on another?

[The Electoral College]

That's fair. I'd hope any current movement against alcohol would be more scientific, but emotional appeals are unfortunately more persuasive and impactful than logical appeals, thus they tend to come out first.

Prohibitionism is based on emotions such as hatred of drug use. There's a reason the US has the highest percentage of prisoners in the world. The facts just aren't there to back up prohibitionist stances. You're supporting making harmless people into criminals.

Who ever said I wanted to incarcerate offenders in a perfect utopia where prohibition could work? That would indeed be a wasteful and expensive idea.

I had fines and rehabilitation in mind.

Why must alcohol remain in common use? What purpose does it serve?

The 'it helps keep beverages free of pathogens and microbes' argument, given modern science and technology, isn't very compelling.

Because people enjoy it and the harm from keeping it legal is less than the harm from making it illegal.

*Needless use of drugs or drugs considered controlled substances of an inherently dangerous nature so as to be restricted from use by law.

People drink coffee. Isn't that needless use of caffeine? People needlessly eat harmful things such as fast food. Why not restrict those things too to micromanage everyone's life to a satisfactory level for you?

The social costs of coffee do not amount to the social costs of alcohol. Restricting fast food in such a way would indeed be overly intrusive on personal choice of food, thus I believe it calls for a more limited scope of regulation. Restricting the decision to take separate substances is separate from the decision to choose to eat certain foods.

[Draakonite]

Prohibitionism is based on emotions such as hatred of drug use. There's a reason the US has the highest percentage of prisoners in the world. The facts just aren't there to back up prohibitionist stances. You're supporting making harmless people into criminals.

Who ever said I wanted to incarcerate offenders in a perfect utopia where prohibition could work? That would indeed be a wasteful and expensive idea.

I had fines and rehabilitation in mind.

Because people enjoy it and the harm from keeping it legal is less than the harm from making it illegal.


People drink coffee. Isn't that needless use of caffeine? People needlessly eat harmful things such as fast food. Why not restrict those things too to micromanage everyone's life to a satisfactory level for you?

The social costs of coffee do not amount to the social costs of alcohol. Restricting fast food in such a way would indeed be overly intrusive on personal choice of food, thus I believe it calls for a more limited scope of regulation. Restricting the decision to take separate substances is separate from the decision to choose to eat certain foods.

You know that even in JAILS prohibition doesn't work?

[Ifreann]

No one supports alcoholism.

Alcoholismists do.

No one cares what they say, though, bunch of drunks.

[Nigeria-]

Yet alcohol is somehow a no-go?

He was vehemently against alcohol but somehow not against that good kush? Strange.

My thoughts exactly. I mean I truly don't get the stigma against cannabis either, but still.

[Risottia]

Alcoholismists do.

No one cares what they say, though, bunch of drunks.

It's not like no one cares... it's more like no one understands to begin with.

We should know, shouldn't we.

[Mkuki]

As much as I'd like it to be, alcohol should not be illegal. The problems created by and the cost of enforcing prohibition wouldn't be enough to justify such a thing.