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Postby Nigeria- » Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:32 pm

Islamic Shia Order of Dagestan wrote:
Free Tristania wrote:Did it work last time ? And how is that war on drugs going ? Talk about lost causes.

drugs should be legal hell I wanna smoke a joint

Yet alcohol is somehow a no-go?

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Postby Pacifornia » Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:53 pm

Nigeria- wrote:
Islamic Shia Order of Dagestan wrote:drugs should be legal hell I wanna smoke a joint

Yet alcohol is somehow a no-go?

He was vehemently against alcohol but somehow not against that good kush? Strange.
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Postby Luveria » Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:56 pm

Pacifornia wrote:
Nigeria- wrote:Yet alcohol is somehow a no-go?

He was vehemently against alcohol but somehow not against that good kush? Strange.

You must not know a lot of potheads. I've come across so many who babble about the evils of alcohol while smokin' dat kush.

Islamic Shia Order of Dagestan wrote:
Free Tristania wrote:Did it work last time ? And how is that war on drugs going ? Talk about lost causes.

drugs should be legal hell I wanna smoke a joint

If you believe drugs should be legal, then why you do you want to ban the drug alcohol?

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Postby Pacifornia » Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:04 pm

Luveria wrote:
Pacifornia wrote:He was vehemently against alcohol but somehow not against that good kush? Strange.

You must not know a lot of potheads. I've come across so many who babble about the evils of alcohol while smokin' dat kush.

Islamic Shia Order of Dagestan wrote:drugs should be legal hell I wanna smoke a joint

If you believe drugs should be legal, then why you do you want to ban the drug alcohol?

That's true sister. The three potheads I know would tell me that the drink is more dangerous than the herb but they don't compare to our friend Dagestan here.
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Postby Luveria » Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:08 pm

Pacifornia wrote:
Luveria wrote:You must not know a lot of potheads. I've come across so many who babble about the evils of alcohol while smokin' dat kush.


If you believe drugs should be legal, then why you do you want to ban the drug alcohol?

That's true sister. The three potheads I know would tell me that the drink is more dangerous than the herb but they don't compare to our friend Dagestan here.

I've met a pothead who every time he would see someone drinking would go onto a rant about how horrible alcohol is, and that's it's the worst drug of all, and then having a passionate argument about how pot is entirely harmless and can never do anyone any wrong. Then he'd head home to blaze dat kush, have a few xannies, and shoot up some morphine until he was nodding out in an unholy stupor. Naturally, the more pro-pot and anti-alcohol someone is, I can only question if they are an addict and covering that up by attacking alcohol drinkers constantly, in the same way homophobes often hide their homosexual desires by bashing on gay people.

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Postby Immoren » Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:13 pm

Keep yer greasy hands of me mead!
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Postby Luveria » Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:15 pm

Immoren wrote:Keep yer greasy hands of me mead!

*grabs your bottle of mead, threatening to pour it out* Ooo what are you going to do now, huh? :p

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Postby The Electoral College » Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:15 pm

If it could be effectively banned, I would find no problem with prohibition. Consumption of alcohol serves only to detriment the health of individuals, and its continued use stands largely as a testament to social pressure and conformity.

It and drugs are entirely pointless and serve no beneficial purpose to humanity, but rather service detriment in health costs, lost productivity, deaths, legal and psychological issues caused by the state of intoxication, and various other issues that are the product of the needlesly impaired human mind.

The sad fact is that blanket prohibition doesn't seem to work in that the target users of alcohol are far too extensive to enforce. Therefore, I'd instead support the increased price of alcohol, its removal from public restaurants (or at least requiring that it be restricted to a separate building dedicated as a bar, just as liquor stores are separated from regular grocery stores in some blue law states), regulating alcohol advertisement on television (but not sponsorship) and maintaining current regulations.

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Postby Immoren » Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:16 pm

Islamic Shia Order of Dagestan wrote:This should be captiol punishment for this poison to be soldmi could see smoking but beer and wine and that crap needs to go drinking and driving getting wasted and shit faced needs to end NOW! I want a international ban on liquor and Acholhol

Islamic Shia Order of Dagestan wrote:
Free Tristania wrote:Did it work last time ? And how is that war on drugs going ? Talk about lost causes.

drugs should be legal hell I wanna smoke a joint

Ethanol is a drug.
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discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there

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Postby The Satanic Schoolgirls in Chains » Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:16 pm

Confederate People of the United States wrote:I do not think so. But there are some nuts out there that think that alcohol is deadly poison after one sip and want to ban it. Should it be Illegal?


No! I mean, what is uspposed to keep me warm in the cold winter nights when I am sleeping over a heat vent? They need to meak more and cheaper. I think everyone should be handed a fifth a day, and spend the rest of the day sleeping it off. Damn! I wiSH I had some ciggaretes! I'll just bumm them off somebody else!

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Postby Immoren » Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:18 pm

Luveria wrote:
Immoren wrote:Keep yer greasy hands of me mead!

*grabs your bottle of mead, threatening to pour it out* Ooo what are you going to do now, huh? :p


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discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there

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Postby Draakonite » Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:18 pm

The Electoral College wrote:If it could be effectively banned, I would find no problem with prohibition. Consumption of alcohol serves only to detriment the health of individuals, and its continued use stands largely as a testament to social pressure and conformity.

It and drugs are entirely pointless and serve no beneficial purpose to humanity, but rather service detriment in health costs, lost productivity, deaths, legal and psychological issues caused by the state of intoxication, and various other issues that are the product of the needlesly impaired human mind.

The sad fact is that blanket prohibition doesn't seem to work in that the target users of alcohol are far too extensive to enforce. Therefore, I'd instead support the increased price of alcohol, its removal from public restaurants (or at least requiring that it be restricted to a separate building dedicated as a bar, just as liquor stores are separated from regular grocery stores in some blue law states), regulating alcohol advertisement on television (but not sponsorship) and maintaining current regulations.


Try that in Germany, and you will be lynched...

Immoren wrote:
Islamic Shia Order of Dagestan wrote:This should be captiol punishment for this poison to be soldmi could see smoking but beer and wine and that crap needs to go drinking and driving getting wasted and shit faced needs to end NOW! I want a international ban on liquor and Acholhol

Islamic Shia Order of Dagestan wrote:drugs should be legal hell I wanna smoke a joint

Ethanol is a drug.


What is considered a drug rather than a food varies between cultures, and distinctions between drugs and foods and between kinds of drug are enshrined in laws which vary between jurisdictions and aim to restrict or prevent drug use

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Postby Pacifornia » Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:18 pm

Immoren wrote:Keep yer greasy hands of me mead!

Get your hands off my shot of Bacardi!
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Postby Luveria » Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:19 pm

The Electoral College wrote:If it could be effectively banned, I would find no problem with prohibition. Consumption of alcohol serves only to detriment the health of individuals, and its continued use stands largely as a testament to social pressure and conformity.

Doesn't prohibition stand as a testament to social pressure, as it was lobbied for by a moralist movement?

The Electoral College wrote:It and drugs are entirely pointless and serve no beneficial purpose to humanity, but rather service detriment in health costs, lost productivity, deaths, legal and psychological issues caused by the state of intoxication, and various other issues that are the product of the needlesly impaired human mind.

This is so wrong. You do know drugs have many uses in medicine, right? :/

The Electoral College wrote:The sad fact is that blanket prohibition doesn't seem to work in that the target users of alcohol are far too extensive to enforce. Therefore, I'd instead support the increased price of alcohol, its removal from public restaurants (or at least requiring that it be restricted to a separate building dedicated as a bar, just as liquor stores are separated from regular grocery stores in some blue law states), regulating alcohol advertisement on television (but not sponsorship) and maintaining current regulations.

The war on drugs isn't exactly working as intended either. But hey, if prohibitionist policies have been failing for eight decades, why stop now?
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Postby Immoren » Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:20 pm

Draakonite wrote:
The Electoral College wrote:If it could be effectively banned, I would find no problem with prohibition. Consumption of alcohol serves only to detriment the health of individuals, and its continued use stands largely as a testament to social pressure and conformity.

It and drugs are entirely pointless and serve no beneficial purpose to humanity, but rather service detriment in health costs, lost productivity, deaths, legal and psychological issues caused by the state of intoxication, and various other issues that are the product of the needlesly impaired human mind.

The sad fact is that blanket prohibition doesn't seem to work in that the target users of alcohol are far too extensive to enforce. Therefore, I'd instead support the increased price of alcohol, its removal from public restaurants (or at least requiring that it be restricted to a separate building dedicated as a bar, just as liquor stores are separated from regular grocery stores in some blue law states), regulating alcohol advertisement on television (but not sponsorship) and maintaining current regulations.


Try that in Germany, and you will be lynched...

Immoren wrote:
Ethanol is a drug.


What is considered a drug rather than a food varies between cultures, and distinctions between drugs and foods and between kinds of drug are enshrined in laws which vary between jurisdictions and aim to restrict or prevent drug use


I wasn't talking about culture or law.
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Postby Kumrann » Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:20 pm

Well I think we can all agree that prohibition of all drugs including Alcohol doesn't work. However it should have a controlled supply and people should be educated about how its bad for them. It should also be taxed highly so as to pay for the damage it does to peoples health and the social problems it causes - oh and we should all meet in the pub and bitch about how awfull the nanny state is by trying to turn is into "responsible drinkers" because if were to complicit they may take it away!
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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:21 pm

Regulated, yes. Fully criminalized, no.

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Postby The allied states of Jesus » Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:22 pm

The Electoral College wrote:If it could be effectively banned, I would find no problem with prohibition. Consumption of alcohol serves only to detriment the health of individuals, and its continued use stands largely as a testament to social pressure and conformity.

It and drugs are entirely pointless and serve no beneficial purpose to humanity, but rather service detriment in health costs, lost productivity, deaths, legal and psychological issues caused by the state of intoxication, and various other issues that are the product of the needlesly impaired human mind.

The sad fact is that blanket prohibition doesn't seem to work in that the target users of alcohol are far too extensive to enforce. Therefore, I'd instead support the increased price of alcohol, its removal from public restaurants (or at least requiring that it be restricted to a separate building dedicated as a bar, just as liquor stores are separated from regular grocery stores in some blue law states), regulating alcohol advertisement on television (but not sponsorship) and maintaining current regulations.

I totally agree.

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Postby The Satanic Schoolgirls in Chains » Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:22 pm

Pacifornia wrote:
Immoren wrote:Keep yer greasy hands of me mead!

Get your hands off my shot of Bacardi!

Damn straight! Listen, how could I stand life without liqour! Last night, I drank two bottles of Nighttrain, and crashed out in an abandonded building. Today, there is a skinny as hell stray cat looking at me when I woke up in the abandond house. Gave me a head ache. So I went scraping ( pulling bottles out of the dumpster and combining them) and got me some hooch. That damn cat gave me a strange look. Huh.

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Postby Yes Im Biop » Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:22 pm

NO, I hate the shit, But It's still no reason to ban it, The deaths t causes are, But No one ever gives a shit about that.
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Postby New Lesbos » Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:23 pm

Maybe (I know someone who totally scares and angers me when they're drunk), but I watched a documentary about this fruit in the savannah givng animals the same effect. It's just to remove the elitism of humanity if we banned it, but I guess it might benefit human society somehow.
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Postby The Electoral College » Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:24 pm

Luveria wrote:
The Electoral College wrote:If it could be effectively banned, I would find no problem with prohibition. Consumption of alcohol serves only to detriment the health of individuals, and its continued use stands largely as a testament to social pressure and conformity.

Doesn't prohibition stand as a testament to social pressure, as it was lobbied for by a moralist movement?


That's fair. I'd hope any current movement against alcohol would be more scientific, but emotional appeals are unfortunately more persuasive and impactful than logical appeals, thus they tend to come out first.

The Electoral College wrote:It and drugs are entirely pointless and serve no beneficial purpose to humanity, but rather service detriment in health costs, lost productivity, deaths, legal and psychological issues caused by the state of intoxication, and various other issues that are the product of the needlesly impaired human mind.

This is so wrong. You do know drugs have lot of uses in medicine, right? :/

*Needless use of drugs or drugs considered controlled substances of an inherently dangerous nature so as to be restricted from use by law.

The Electoral College wrote:The sad fact is that blanket prohibition doesn't seem to work in that the target users of alcohol are far too extensive to enforce. Therefore, I'd instead support the increased price of alcohol, its removal from public restaurants (or at least requiring that it be restricted to a separate building dedicated as a bar, just as liquor stores are separated from regular grocery stores in some blue law states), regulating alcohol advertisement on television (but not sponsorship) and maintaining current regulations.

The war on drugs isn't exactly working as intended either. But hey, if prohibitionist policies have been failing for eight decades, why stop now?


Why must alcohol remain in common use? What purpose does it serve?

The 'it helps keep beverages free of pathogens and microbes' argument, given modern science and technology, isn't very compelling.
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The Satanic Schoolgirls in Chains wrote:
Pacifornia wrote:Get your hands off my shot of Bacardi!

Damn straight! Listen, how could I stand life without liqour! Last night, I drank two bottles of Nighttrain, and crashed out in an abandonded building. Today, there is a skinny as hell stray cat looking at me when I woke up in the abandond house. Gave me a head ache. So I went scraping ( pulling bottles out of the dumpster and combining them) and got me some hooch. That damn cat gave me a strange look. Huh.

Your life sounds quirky and fun :)
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Postby The Satanic Schoolgirls in Chains » Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:25 pm

New Lesbos wrote:Maybe (I know someone who totally scares and angers me when they're drunk), but I watched a documentary about this fruit in the savannah givng animals the same effect. It's just to remove the elitism of humanity if we banned it, but I guess it might benefit human society somehow.

No! nO! It's a wonder drug. Did make that skinny stray cat look weird though. Yeah. I agree about elitism. ALl you dudes are elitist pigs..jobs, house PAH! MKy lifes is full of fucking and getting drunk. The only thing I have to worry about.

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Postby Lunas Legion » Tue Oct 01, 2013 2:27 pm

The Electoral College wrote:
The Electoral College wrote:The sad fact is that blanket prohibition doesn't seem to work in that the target users of alcohol are far too extensive to enforce. Therefore, I'd instead support the increased price of alcohol, its removal from public restaurants (or at least requiring that it be restricted to a separate building dedicated as a bar, just as liquor stores are separated from regular grocery stores in some blue law states), regulating alcohol advertisement on television (but not sponsorship) and maintaining current regulations.

The war on drugs isn't exactly working as intended either. But hey, if prohibitionist policies have been failing for eight decades, why stop now?


Why must alcohol remain in common use? What purpose does it serve?

The 'it helps keep beverages free of pathogens and microbes' argument, given modern science and technology, isn't very compelling.[/quote]

Money. It all comes down to it, eventually. Ban alcohol, you lose a lot of businesses. Breweries, distributors, sellers... And the tax that comes from it.
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