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Postby Lunas Legion » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:38 am

Draakonite wrote:
Czechanada wrote:Since God hath ordained that alcohol is sinful, the United Nations should ban the production, sale, possession, and consumption of alcohol and enforce and punish it with roving death squads.


Then why did Jesus turn water into wine???


There weren't any other options? Fruit juice is only for mornings, and turning water into itself isn't very impressive.
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Postby Starkiller101 » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:39 am

Draakonite wrote:
Czechanada wrote:Since God hath ordained that alcohol is sinful, the United Nations should ban the production, sale, possession, and consumption of alcohol and enforce and punish it with roving death squads.


Then why did Jesus turn water into wine???
he was showing and could perform miracles
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Postby Czechanada » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:42 am

Draakonite wrote:
Czechanada wrote:Since God hath ordained that alcohol is sinful, the United Nations should ban the production, sale, possession, and consumption of alcohol and enforce and punish it with roving death squads.


Then why did Jesus turn water into wine???


You're misinterpreting the miracle. Any prestidigitator can turn water into wine. Jesus turned water into WINE.
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Postby Nigeria- » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:43 am

Starkiller101 wrote:
Draakonite wrote:
Then why did Jesus turn water into wine???
he was showing and could perform miracles

So? He could have turned it to juice or made it disappear. People who say it is sinful based on the Bible and should be illegal (law should never come from one briefs doctrine away) are being pretty hypocritical.

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Postby Luveria » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:44 am

Draakonite wrote:
Czechanada wrote:Since God hath ordained that alcohol is sinful, the United Nations should ban the production, sale, possession, and consumption of alcohol and enforce and punish it with roving death squads.


Then why did Jesus turn water into wine???


1) Magic tricks are cool aren't they? I mean, it's not like stage magicians don't do sleight-of-hand and such deceptions.

or the more realistic option

2) There is nothing to suggest Jesus turned water into wine other than an ancient text saying he did. :roll:

But yes, it is ironic that those who adhere to a religion in which their messiah turns water into wine, want to ban alcohol entirely.
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Postby Czechanada » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:44 am

New Waterford wrote:Not in moderation, it shouldn't.


You would prefer the mods to be to drunk?
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:47 am

Czechanada wrote:
New Waterford wrote:Not in moderation, it shouldn't.


You would prefer the mods to be to drunk?

You mean they're not? I would be.

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Postby Nigeria- » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:47 am

Czechanada wrote:
New Waterford wrote:Not in moderation, it shouldn't.


You would prefer the mods to be to drunk?

Perhaps.

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Postby Luveria » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:48 am

Czechanada wrote:
New Waterford wrote:Not in moderation, it shouldn't.


You would prefer the mods to be to drunk?


Yes. I would be a lot more satisfied with their rulings that way.

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Postby Kingdom of Israel » Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:52 am

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Postby Free Soviets » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:07 pm

Imperium Sidhicum wrote:The Yank government tried that during the Prohibition already, we all know how that ended up.

Still, most Islamic nations have prohibition of alcohol in their laws, and most also seem reasonably dry. Must be a cultural thing.

In the Western world, every legendary tough guy is seen around with a drink, be it James Bond with his unshaken vodka & martini, or Clint Eastwood's cowboy heroes with their glass of whiskey. Seductive women always ask these tough heroes to buy them a drink first.
The way to stop alcohol consumption is not through bans, but through change of paradigms. What if a generation of young people grew up with popular heroes that didn't drink, that they were implanted with the idea that real tough guys who get the hottest girls don't drink?

This certainly seems to have worked in Islamic societies, where the adoptation of Islam brought this change of paradigms. It certainly didn't happen in one day or a year, but over a generation or more, until drinking booze was no longer seen as cool and looked down upon as a sinful act.

Personally, though, I like things just the way they are.

well, the yank government 'tried'. but large sections of it decided both that the laws didn't apply to them, personally, and that making money from the new smugglers was a brilliant plan. so its not clear what would have happened if they had actually tried. but even with the half-assing, they seem to have been pretty successful anyways:

Historical Perspecitve of per Capita Ethanol Consumption in the United States
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don't get me wrong - i love booze. i've currently got 11ish gallons of cider brewing in my basement, along with a frankly ridiculous number of bottles of homemade wine. but i suspect that prohibiting things - even particularly desirable things that are also fairly easy to make, like alcohol - is actually pretty effective when pursued seriously.

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Postby Benuty » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:09 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Need a name wrote:Since Jesus turned water into wine, I see no reason to ban it.

Jesus also turned water into a pedestrian area, I'm not sure if that's a good basis for laws.

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Postby Kemalist » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:14 pm

Why should person A have the right to stop person B from drinking just because it's against the religion of person A?


No, they shouldn't. My point was different.
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Postby Jetan » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:15 pm

Kemalist wrote:
Why should person A have the right to stop person B from drinking just because it's against the religion of person A?


No, they shouldn't. My point was different.

What was your point then?
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Postby Indira » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:17 pm

History would beg to differ with the idea

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:19 pm

Lynxcia wrote:It does more harm than good...

Support your claim.

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Postby Uelvan » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:20 pm

Only if we ban everything deemed unhealthy shortly afterwards and fine people for swearing. But first let's freeze the most hardcore cop in all of LA, just incase.

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Postby Holocrystalline Dollies » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:20 pm

Lynxcia wrote:It does more harm than good...

Source and point?

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Postby Bundesdeutschland » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:21 pm

I think the answer if rather obvious...

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Postby Boo-Hoo Place » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:22 pm

No, but we need to more tightly control alcoholics and distribution.

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Postby Fixdeluxe1 » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:23 pm

No. I do agree that Alcohol has serious and negative consequences with excessive use, but there are two main arguments that defeat any proposal for alcohol, let alone age restriction:

- Liberty & Freedom

It is an individuals choice as to what substances they consume/put into their bodies. Things like public drunkennes, drink driving etc. should receive more attention from the government and police, but actually dictating to citizens what they can and cannot drink is borderline tyrannical.

- Practicality

Prohibition has worked AND FAILED previously during the 1930's in America. Criminalizing Alcohol would just involve organized crime manufacturing, importing and distributing alcohol just like every other illegal drug. The Government should focus on eradicating organized criminal gangs, rather than creating another industry/market for them.

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Postby Lordieth » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:24 pm

Lunas Legion wrote:
Draakonite wrote:
Then why did Jesus turn water into wine???


There weren't any other options? Fruit juice is only for mornings, and turning water into itself isn't very impressive.


He could have turned it into Hydrogen. That would have been pretty forward thinking of him.
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Postby Lunas Legion » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:25 pm

Lordieth wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:
There weren't any other options? Fruit juice is only for mornings, and turning water into itself isn't very impressive.


He could have turned it into Hydrogen. That would have been pretty forward thinking of him.

Then it would be 'Jesus made water vanish'.
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Postby Islamic Shia Order of Dagestan » Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:24 pm

Free Tristania wrote:Did it work last time ? And how is that war on drugs going ? Talk about lost causes.

drugs should be legal hell I wanna smoke a joint

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