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20% of people in Mauritania are literally slaves right now

Postby Australasia » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:55 am

Oh yes, you read right.

http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2012 ... index.html
http://thinkafricapress.com/mauritania/ ... n-vestiges

Mauritania is an Islamic state (sharia enforced) in west Africa which was was the last place in the world to abolish slavery (in 1981). BUT they didn't make slavery a crime until 2007, and since then a grand total of ONE slave owners have been prosecuted.

An estimated 10% to 20% of the population are in slavery - almost entirely black slaves owned by Moors and Arab Berbers. This figure is a scientific estimate by the UN's special rapporteur on contemporary forms of slavery.

What's worse is that the Mauritanian government imposes censorship on any journalistic reporting regarding the matter.

The black population in Mauritania is heavily discriminated against by the Arabic-Islamic government, and live in an extremely desperate state.

Here are some reasons from the CNN article why slavery still persists here:

WHY SLAVERY STILL EXISTS IN 2012
Why has slavery continued in Mauritania long after it was abolished elsewhere? There are many factors that contribute to the complex situation. Here are a few:

POLITICS

Mauritania's government has done little to combat slavery and in interviews with CNN denied that the practice exists. "All people are free in Mauritania and this phenomenon (of slavery) no longer exists," one official said.

GEOGRAPHY

Mauritania is a huge and largely empty country in the Sahara Desert. This makes it difficult to enforce any laws, including those against slavery. A branch of al Qaeda has found it an attractive hiding place, and the country's vastness also means that rural and nomadic slave owners are largely hidden from view.

POVERTY

Forty-four percent of Mauritanians live on less than $2 per day. Slave owners and their slaves are often extremely poor, uneducated and illiterate. This makes seeking a life outside slavery extremely difficult or impossible. On the other hand, poverty has also led to some slave masters setting their slaves free, because they can no longer afford to keep them.

RELIGION

Local Islamic leaders, called imams, historically have spoken in favor of slavery. Activists say the practice continues in some mosques, particularly in rural areas. Various religions in many countries have been used to justify the continuation of slavery. "They make people believe that going to paradise depends on their submission," one Mauritanian activist, Boubacar Messaoud, said of how religious leaders handle slavery.

RACISM

Slavery in Mauritania is not entirely based on race, but lighter-skinned people historically have owned people with darker skin, and racism in the country is rampant, according to local analysts. Mauritanians live by a rigid caste system, with the slave class at the bottom.

EDUCATION

Perhaps most surprising, many slaves in Mauritania don't understand that they are enslaved; they have been brainwashed, activists say, to believe it is their place in the world to work as slaves, without pay, and without rights to their children. Others fear they would lose social status if they were to run away from a master who is seen as wealthy. Slaves of noble families attain a certain level of status by association.


Thoughts NSG? What actions do you think should be taken?

I think sanctions (on governmental officials, to be clear - i.e. freeze accounts, travels bans) by the international community are in order! And if they refuse to take proper action, I think it would be appropriate for the United Nations to refer the whole matter to the International Criminal Court.

This is one of the most grievous violations of international human rights law in the modern world. The callousness (and even alleged complicity) of the Mauritanian government is utterly beyond words.
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Postby Wolfmanne » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:57 am

I can't believe that this isn't known by more people. The international community has truly failed this nation.
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Postby Wilgrove » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:57 am

Australasia wrote:Oh yes, you heard right.

http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2012 ... index.html
http://thinkafricapress.com/mauritania/ ... n-vestiges

Mauritania is an Islamic state (sharia enforced) in west Africa which was was the last place in the world to abolish slavery (in 1981). BUT they didn't make slavery a crime until 2007, and since then a grand total of ONE slave owners have been prosecuted.

An estimated 10% to 20% of the population are in slavery - almost entirely black slaves owned by Arabs.

What's worse is that the Mauritanian government imposes censorship on any journalistic reporting regarding the matter!

Thoughts NSG? What actions do you think should be taken?

I think sanctions by the international community are in order!


Has sanctions by the UN ever worked? Because I'll be honest, the sanctions never affect the ruling class or wealthy, but they always seem to screw over everyone else in that country.

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Postby The Independent Isle of Wight » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:58 am

Let's boycott... What the fuck do they make? Peaches? Ham? Chalk?
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Postby The Carlisle » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:58 am

This is a crime against humanity. Sanctions at the bare minimum and intervention must be on the table.
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Postby Australasia » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:58 am

Wilgrove wrote:
Australasia wrote:Oh yes, you heard right.

http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2012 ... index.html
http://thinkafricapress.com/mauritania/ ... n-vestiges

Mauritania is an Islamic state (sharia enforced) in west Africa which was was the last place in the world to abolish slavery (in 1981). BUT they didn't make slavery a crime until 2007, and since then a grand total of ONE slave owners have been prosecuted.

An estimated 10% to 20% of the population are in slavery - almost entirely black slaves owned by Arabs.

What's worse is that the Mauritanian government imposes censorship on any journalistic reporting regarding the matter!

Thoughts NSG? What actions do you think should be taken?

I think sanctions by the international community are in order!


Has sanctions by the UN ever worked? Because I'll be honest, the sanctions never affect the ruling class or wealthy, but they always seem to screw over everyone else in that country.


Sanctions on government officials: freeze their accounts, impose travel bans, etc.
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Postby Verdum » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:58 am

Wilgrove wrote:
Australasia wrote:Oh yes, you heard right.

http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2012 ... index.html
http://thinkafricapress.com/mauritania/ ... n-vestiges

Mauritania is an Islamic state (sharia enforced) in west Africa which was was the last place in the world to abolish slavery (in 1981). BUT they didn't make slavery a crime until 2007, and since then a grand total of ONE slave owners have been prosecuted.

An estimated 10% to 20% of the population are in slavery - almost entirely black slaves owned by Arabs.

What's worse is that the Mauritanian government imposes censorship on any journalistic reporting regarding the matter!

Thoughts NSG? What actions do you think should be taken?

I think sanctions by the international community are in order!


Has sanctions by the UN ever worked? Because I'll be honest, the sanctions never affect the ruling class or wealthy, but they always seem to screw over everyone else in that country.

Because everybody, honestly, does what the UN says.

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Postby Destiny Island » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:59 am

Wow you made this thread quick.
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Postby Trotskylvania » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:59 am

Sanctions are hardly going to work, slavery continues to exist in the traditional subsistence economies, which are not attached to global market.

It would be much more effective to smuggle arms into the country, and arm and prepare a slave revolt.
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Postby The Independent Isle of Wight » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:00 am

They have always been a stubborn nation though.

When they were being founded their president was midway through announcing that their capital would be renamed: 'New Freedom City' when he sneezed, and refused to admit that 'Nouakchott' was not the sound he was trying to make.
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Postby The IASM » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:01 am

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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:01 am

Wolfmanne wrote:I can't believe that this isn't known by more people. The international community has truly failed this nation.

Because it's everyone else's fault that they allow slavery.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:05 am

Australasia wrote:An estimated 10% to 20% of the population are in slavery - almost entirely black slaves owned by Arabs.

Actually the elite ethnic group are more accurately named Moors rather than Arabs in English.
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Postby Bottle » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:06 am

Is it sad that I read the thread title and immediately thought to myself, "If he's talking about America, I think that number is probably low"?
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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:07 am

Bottle wrote:Is it sad that I read the thread title and immediately thought to myself, "If he's talking about America, I think that number is probably low"?

It is sad that if that was what you thought, you don't really know what actual slavery is, yeah.
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Postby Australasia » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:07 am

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Australasia wrote:An estimated 10% to 20% of the population are in slavery - almost entirely black slaves owned by Arabs.

Actually the elite ethnic group are more accurately named Moors rather than Arabs in English.


Moors are a category of Arabs.
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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:08 am

InB4 "99% of the world is wage slavury!"


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Postby Vazdania » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:08 am

Australasia wrote:Oh yes, you read right.

http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2012 ... index.html
http://thinkafricapress.com/mauritania/ ... n-vestiges

Mauritania is an Islamic state (sharia enforced) in west Africa which was was the last place in the world to abolish slavery (in 1981). BUT they didn't make slavery a crime until 2007, and since then a grand total of ONE slave owners have been prosecuted.

An estimated 10% to 20% of the population are in slavery - almost entirely black slaves owned by Arabs.

What's worse is that the Mauritanian government imposes censorship on any journalistic reporting regarding the matter!

Thoughts NSG? What actions do you think should be taken?

I think sanctions (on governmental officials, to be clear - i.e. freeze accounts, travels bans) by the international community are in order! And if they refuse to take proper action, I think it would be appropriate for the United Nations to refer the whole matter to the International Criminal Court.

This is one of the most grievous violations of international human rights law in the modern world. The callousness of the Mauritanian government is utterly beyond words.

My thoughts ring back to America where more than that are slaves to the modern welfare system....
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Postby Australasia » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:09 am

Bottle wrote:Is it sad that I read the thread title and immediately thought to myself, "If he's talking about America, I think that number is probably low"?


We're talking about actual slavery here. Literal slavery.
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Postby The Tiger Kingdom » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:11 am

Inyourfaceistan wrote:InB4 "99% of the world is wage slavury!"

Unbelievably, you're actually already too late.

Vazdania wrote:
Australasia wrote:Oh yes, you read right.

http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2012 ... index.html
http://thinkafricapress.com/mauritania/ ... n-vestiges

Mauritania is an Islamic state (sharia enforced) in west Africa which was was the last place in the world to abolish slavery (in 1981). BUT they didn't make slavery a crime until 2007, and since then a grand total of ONE slave owners have been prosecuted.

An estimated 10% to 20% of the population are in slavery - almost entirely black slaves owned by Arabs.

What's worse is that the Mauritanian government imposes censorship on any journalistic reporting regarding the matter!

Thoughts NSG? What actions do you think should be taken?

I think sanctions (on governmental officials, to be clear - i.e. freeze accounts, travels bans) by the international community are in order! And if they refuse to take proper action, I think it would be appropriate for the United Nations to refer the whole matter to the International Criminal Court.

This is one of the most grievous violations of international human rights law in the modern world. The callousness of the Mauritanian government is utterly beyond words.

My thoughts ring back to America where more than that are slaves to the modern welfare system....

That's not comparable.
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Postby Bottle » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:12 am

Australasia wrote:
Bottle wrote:Is it sad that I read the thread title and immediately thought to myself, "If he's talking about America, I think that number is probably low"?


We're talking about actual slavery here. Literal slavery.

Yes, I can read the OP. Did you miss the part where I said my reaction was based purely on the title?

I guess I'm supposed to have joined the chorus of people agreeing that legal slavery is bad, but I'm simply not willing to even allow that this is a subject of debate.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:14 am

Australasia wrote:
Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:Actually the elite ethnic group are more accurately named Moors rather than Arabs in English.

Moors are a category of Arabs.

No, Arabs stem from the Arabian Peninsula. Moors are Indigenous North African, Muslim/Arabized or not e.g. the natives of the Roman Province of Mauritania and areas south of it.
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Postby Australasia » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:15 am

Bottle wrote:
Australasia wrote:
We're talking about actual slavery here. Literal slavery.

Yes, I can read the OP. Did you miss the part where I said my reaction was based purely on the title?

I guess I'm supposed to have joined the chorus of people agreeing that legal slavery is bad, but I'm simply not willing to even allow that this is a subject of debate.


I would be very scared if anyone tried to debate that.

But the thread is about what should be done about it, rather than a debate on slavery (anyone who tries and justifies slavery will be taken for a joke anyway).
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Postby Vazdania » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:16 am

Australasia wrote:
Bottle wrote:Yes, I can read the OP. Did you miss the part where I said my reaction was based purely on the title?

I guess I'm supposed to have joined the chorus of people agreeing that legal slavery is bad, but I'm simply not willing to even allow that this is a subject of debate.


I would be very scared if anyone tried to debate that.

But the thread is about what should be done about it, rather than a debate on slavery (anyone who tries and justifies slavery will be taken for a joke anyway).

Leave it be, we are not suppose to be the world's police.

Let the World Community choose what to do about it.
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Postby Ayreonia » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:16 am

That's it, from this day onward I'm boycotting everything Mauritania exports.

Buying locally produced rocks is better for the Finnish economy anyway.
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