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Farnhamia
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:29 am

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Verdum wrote:NS would be a lot better if Mod's stopped stealing pieces of peoples souls after they warn them.

That is just a myth.

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Postby Grenartia » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:29 am

The Archregimancy wrote:I'll gently note that this is not a thread for discussing whether or not "the white race" is a social construct or not.

Stay on topic, please.


Sorry.

Verdum wrote:NS would be a lot better if Mod's stopped stealing pieces of peoples souls after they warn them.


Hell, you should see what they do to you after you're banned.
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Postby Verdum » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:30 am

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Verdum wrote:NS would be a lot better if Mod's stopped stealing pieces of peoples souls after they warn them.

That is just a myth.

That's what they want you to think ,man! The only place we are safe is...is...in an abandoned mine shaft in Yellow Rock! Yeah, yeah they cant get me there!
*Smeagal laugh/crawl away combo*

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Postby Dakini » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:30 am

Luveria wrote:
Czechanada wrote:
That just sounds like a popularity contest, which will encourage the concept of rock star mods and election rigging.

And making moderation itself being a popularity contest by catering to the whims of their constituency so they can re-elected next term. For some reason, that doesn't sound like a good system of moderating when properly doing their job results in their voterbase being pissed off at them.

Well, plus we saw how much poll puppeteering happens in meaningless contests like the Sexiest Poster one. Can you imagine how terrible that shit would be if we were electing mods?

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Yue-Laou
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Postby Yue-Laou » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:32 am

If anything this forum is over-moderated. Mods should let much more slide.

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Postby Lost heros » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:33 am

Yue-Laou wrote:If anything this forum is over-moderated. Mods should let much more slide.

Examples of things being over moderated?
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:34 am

Yue-Laou wrote:If anything this forum is over-moderated. Mods should let much more slide.

You're not serious, are you? If that would be allowed, this forum would become hell on earth.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Shaggai » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:34 am

Yue-Laou wrote:If anything this forum is over-moderated. Mods should let much more slide.

oh my god no this would be hell
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:35 am

Yue-Laou wrote:If anything this forum is over-moderated. Mods should let much more slide.


Such as?

I find they do allow stuff to slide.....
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:35 am

Dakini wrote:
Luveria wrote:And making moderation itself being a popularity contest by catering to the whims of their constituency so they can re-elected next term. For some reason, that doesn't sound like a good system of moderating when properly doing their job results in their voterbase being pissed off at them.

Well, plus we saw how much poll puppeteering happens in meaningless contests like the Sexiest Poster one. Can you imagine how terrible that shit would be if we were electing mods?

Remember Sibirsky's an-cap water army? Yeah, that might happen in mod elections.
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Postby Verdum » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:36 am

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Yue-Laou wrote:If anything this forum is over-moderated. Mods should let much more slide.

You're not serious, are you? If that would be allowed, this forum would become hell on earth.

*Legions of Racists, Bigots, Radical Feminists, and other devil spawn flood the forum*

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Postby Luveria » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:36 am

Grenartia wrote:
Verdum wrote:NS would be a lot better if Mod's stopped stealing pieces of peoples souls after they warn them.


Hell, you should see what they do to you after you're banned.

I went into severe withdrawal during my one-day ban. Never again. :( *shudders*

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Postby Hurdegaryp » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:38 am

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Dakini wrote:Well, plus we saw how much poll puppeteering happens in meaningless contests like the Sexiest Poster one. Can you imagine how terrible that shit would be if we were electing mods?

Remember Sibirsky's an-cap water army? Yeah, that might happen in mod elections.

I don't remember that one at all, seems like I missed the whole thing. I'm grateful for that.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Luveria » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:38 am

Dakini wrote:
Luveria wrote:And making moderation itself being a popularity contest by catering to the whims of their constituency so they can re-elected next term. For some reason, that doesn't sound like a good system of moderating when properly doing their job results in their voterbase being pissed off at them.

Well, plus we saw how much poll puppeteering happens in meaningless contests like the Sexiest Poster one. Can you imagine how terrible that shit would be if we were electing mods?

If someone were hellbent on becoming a mod, they could easily set up a legion of dated puppets with passable post histories so they could rig a text-based election too. If people do that kind of sockpuppeteering to advance through the ranks of Wikipedia, it would inevitably happen here too.

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Postby Grenartia » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:39 am

Shaggai wrote:
Yue-Laou wrote:If anything this forum is over-moderated. Mods should let much more slide.

oh my god no this would be hell


Indeed. It would be a total shithole.

Luveria wrote:
Grenartia wrote:

Hell, you should see what they do to you after you're banned.

I went into severe withdrawal during my one-day ban. Never again. :( *shudders*


I've had 3. Each one is progressively worse than the last.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:40 am

Luveria wrote:
Dakini wrote:Well, plus we saw how much poll puppeteering happens in meaningless contests like the Sexiest Poster one. Can you imagine how terrible that shit would be if we were electing mods?

If someone were hellbent on becoming a mod, they could easily set up a legion of dated puppets with passable post histories so they could rig a text-based election too. If people do that kind of sockpuppeteering to advance through the ranks of Wikipedia, it would inevitably happen here too.

Also expect entities from other forums trying to gain a foothold here by means of trickery and manipulation. And it's not as if we need that kind of behaviour in here, unless it's me who's doing said trickery and manipulation.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Luveria » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:46 am

Grenartia wrote:
Luveria wrote:I went into severe withdrawal during my one-day ban. Never again. :( *shudders*


I've had 3. Each one is progressively worse than the last.

Morphine withdrawal is less painful.

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Luveria wrote:If someone were hellbent on becoming a mod, they could easily set up a legion of dated puppets with passable post histories so they could rig a text-based election too. If people do that kind of sockpuppeteering to advance through the ranks of Wikipedia, it would inevitably happen here too.

Also expect entities from other forums trying to gain a foothold here by means of trickery and manipulation. And it's not as if we need that kind of behaviour in here, unless it's me who's doing said trickery and manipulation.

I'll recruit a clique of people to puppeteer with me so we can eventually replace the entire mod organization with our people. Then under our leadership this forum will experience a golden age.

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:47 am

Hurdegaryp wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:Remember Sibirsky's an-cap water army? Yeah, that might happen in mod elections.

I don't remember that one at all, seems like I missed the whole thing. I'm grateful for that.

It's how he got his silver medal debating title.
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:49 am

Luveria wrote:
Grenartia wrote:

I've had 3. Each one is progressively worse than the last.

Morphine withdrawal is less painful.

Hurdegaryp wrote:Also expect entities from other forums trying to gain a foothold here by means of trickery and manipulation. And it's not as if we need that kind of behaviour in here, unless it's me who's doing said trickery and manipulation.

I'll recruit a clique of people to puppeteer with me so we can eventually replace the entire mod organization with our people. Then under our leadership this forum will experience a golden age.

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<Sigh> NSG...where even the atheists are Augustinians. ~ The Archregimancy
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RIP Dyakovo ... Ashmoria (Freedom ... or cake)
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Postby Verdum » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:51 am

Luveria wrote:
Grenartia wrote:

I've had 3. Each one is progressively worse than the last.

Morphine withdrawal is less painful.

Hurdegaryp wrote:Also expect entities from other forums trying to gain a foothold here by means of trickery and manipulation. And it's not as if we need that kind of behaviour in here, unless it's me who's doing said trickery and manipulation.

I'll recruit a clique of people to puppeteer with me so we can eventually replace the entire mod organization with our people. Then under our leadership this forum will experience a golden age.

Luveria as mod...
Sex, sex everywhere.

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Luveria
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Postby Luveria » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:52 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Luveria wrote:Morphine withdrawal is less painful.


I'll recruit a clique of people to puppeteer with me so we can eventually replace the entire mod organization with our people. Then under our leadership this forum will experience a golden age.

"And all shall love me and despair!"

This is why democracy is a bad idea for mod positions. :p Even if there was enough paranoia to ensure multiple text-votes from the same IP aren't counted, that's not stopping someone from forming political alliances with other posters to get one of them in as a mod.

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Postby Lost heros » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:54 am

Verdum wrote:
Luveria wrote:Morphine withdrawal is less painful.


I'll recruit a clique of people to puppeteer with me so we can eventually replace the entire mod organization with our people. Then under our leadership this forum will experience a golden age.

Luveria as mod...
Sex, sex everywhere.

...
Luveria for mod 2013!
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Postby Luveria » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:55 am

Lost heros wrote:
Verdum wrote:Luveria as mod...
Sex, sex everywhere.

...
Luveria for mod 2013!

Psst. Get your people to campaign for me and next mod election I'll get my political machine to endorse you.

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:56 am

Luveria wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:"And all shall love me and despair!"

This is why democracy is a bad idea for mod positions. :p Even if there was enough paranoia to ensure multiple text-votes from the same IP aren't counted, that's not stopping someone from forming political alliances with other posters to get one of them in as a mod.

1. Mods are elected.
2. Form alliance and get friends made Mods.
3. Mods begin fighting among themselves, reversing rulings all over the place.
4. ???
5. Profit!
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Verdum
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Postby Verdum » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:57 am

Luveria wrote:
Lost heros wrote:...
Luveria for mod 2013!

Psst. Get your people to campaign for me and next mod election I'll get my political machine to endorse you.

Elections?
Gurl u be fewlish.
Mods aren't really elected; they are part of the system. Well, the first mods were elected. Long ago in a distant time, the creator of NS found a few like-minded people and stole their consciousness...
...then he put them in dat durr computer.

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