A Critique of NS Moderation Policy

[Delmonte]

This was the old version that has since been revamped and replaced.

So, the version I posted that did not mention held beliefs is more up to date?

This. This is precisely what I recall reading. Thank you very much.

See above.

Nervun's ruling is from two years ago and what he says mirrors that rule almost verbatim. The rule says "We don't care if your offensive statement is something you actually believe." and Nervun says "We don't care if your offensive statement is something you actually believe." So what I'm saying can't be that off the wall as far as ruling is concerned.

[Forsher]

Wait, there are two one stop rules shop?

This was the old version that has since been revamped and replaced.

You know, I was aware of the review thing and was (earlier in this thread) wondering what happened with it. Turned out that it had already been replaced earlier on.

[Divair]

No, that's the old rule.

Why didn't they just edit the original?

They.. did. The one posted is the one before the edit.

[The Black Forrest]

Is it me or is this NSG Culture Thread moving faster than the last one?

And I will post five hundred pages, and I will post five hundred more..

Wow. A proclaimers reference.

[Edlichbury]

Is it me or is this NSG Culture Thread moving faster than the last one?

I'd like to think I provided more in the OP. I could be wrong.

[Bezombia]

Is it me or is this NSG Culture Thread moving faster than the last one?

This thread's moving faster than NSH on a hot summer's eve.

[Blasveck]

Holy hell.

That's, what, 10 pages in half an hour?

[Divair]

And I will post five hundred pages, and I will post five hundred more..

Wow. A proclaimers reference.

So original.

[Lost heros]

Why didn't they just edit the original?

They.. did. The one posted is the one before the edit.

No like literally click the edit button and edit the first thread.

[Dakini]

Who is it? Tell us.

I don't know who Dakini has in mind, but Katganistan certainly has said as much.

Not who I had in mind. If Kat said that, I didn't see it. If she did then that's bad; I haven't noticed her to be obviously contemptuous of the posters here.

Perhaps the mods could use some cycling to keep them from becoming weary of modding. Like 3 months on/3 months off or something.

[TaQud]

Is it me or is this NSG Culture Thread moving faster than the last one?

probably just the timing, it may slow down by the morning (around 6 am EDT)

[Lost heros]

So, the version I posted that did not mention held beliefs is more up to date?

See above.

Nervun's ruling is from two years ago and what he says mirrors that rule almost verbatim. The rule says "We don't care if your offensive statement is something you actually believe." and Nervun says "We don't care if your offensive statement is something you actually believe." So what I'm saying can't be that off the wall as far as ruling is concerned.

Two years ago isn't now. And I think moderation has come to a conclusion about it since then.

[Delmonte]

Nervun's ruling is from two years ago and what he says mirrors that rule almost verbatim. The rule says "We don't care if your offensive statement is something you actually believe." and Nervun says "We don't care if your offensive statement is something you actually believe." So what I'm saying can't be that off the wall as far as ruling is concerned.

Two years ago isn't now. And I think moderation has come to a conclusion about it since then.

So you're saying that a sincerely held belief should always be a proper defense for outrageously offensive statements? I'm really not sure what you're saying. All I know is that you're saying it very vehemently and that you are under the impression that it is in conflict with what I have said.

[Franklin Delano Bluth]

I don't know who Dakini has in mind, but Katganistan certainly has said as much.

Not who I had in mind. If Kat said that, I didn't see it. If she did then that's bad; I haven't noticed her to be obviously contemptuous of the posters here.

As I mentioned earlier, this thread made that abundantly clear.

[Euroslavia]

Perhaps the mods could use some cycling to keep them from becoming weary of modding. Like 3 months on/3 months off or something.

That's usually how I operate, except there's usually no set time. I have periods of time where I have no problem taking on as many tasks as I can in Moderation, and I have my periods of time (as of the last few weeks) where my mod activity is minimal. It's usually in relation to my stress levels in real life.

[Lost heros]

Two years ago isn't now. And I think moderation has come to a conclusion about it since then.

So you're saying that a sincerely held belief should always be a proper defense for outrageously offensive statements? I'm really not sure what you're saying. All I know is that you're saying it very vehemently and that you are under the impression that it is in conflict with what I have said.

I'm saying it's all in the intent. If a statement is made to incite anger by being the opposition it is trolling. However, if there is no malice then there is no troll.
I don't think there should be a board wipe for held beliefs and trolling. It should be a case-by-case basis.

[Dakini]

Perhaps the mods could use some cycling to keep them from becoming weary of modding. Like 3 months on/3 months off or something.

That's usually how I operate, except there's usually no set time. I have periods of time where I have no problem taking on as many tasks as I can in Moderation, and I have my periods of time (as of the last few weeks) where my mod activity is minimal. It's usually in relation to my stress levels in real life.

Maybe that's why you're so good at modding: frequent breaks.

[Delmonte]

So you're saying that a sincerely held belief should always be a proper defense for outrageously offensive statements? I'm really not sure what you're saying. All I know is that you're saying it very vehemently and that you are under the impression that it is in conflict with what I have said.

I'm saying it's all in the intent. If a statement is made to incite anger by being the opposition it is trolling. However, if there is no malice then there is no troll.
I don't think there should be a board wipe for held beliefs and trolling. It should be a case-by-case basis.

But your first two sentences ARE a board-wipe! So, under your paradigm, if I genuinely and truly believed that all human beings who were not eskimo's ought to be exterminated in a fiery blaze of nuclear hellfire, and I proselytized these views on the NS forums, I would receive no punishment.

[Dakini]

Not who I had in mind. If Kat said that, I didn't see it. If she did then that's bad; I haven't noticed her to be obviously contemptuous of the posters here.

As I mentioned earlier, this thread made that abundantly clear.

That thread's 3 years old.

[The Black Forrest]

Wow. A proclaimers reference.

So original.

Eh? I think you are reading in something that isn't there.

[The Blaatschapen]

Perhaps the mods could use some cycling to keep them from becoming weary of modding. Like 3 months on/3 months off or something.

That's usually how I operate, except there's usually no set time. I have periods of time where I have no problem taking on as many tasks as I can in Moderation, and I have my periods of time (as of the last few weeks) where my mod activity is minimal. It's usually in relation to my stress levels in real life.

Same here. August started out great. Then it became a roller coaster and I modded a bit less these last few weeks.

[Regnum Dominae]

A few suggestions I have:

A much larger Moderation team.
Retirement for a few current mods.
Better mod coverage of all timezones. (10pm to 5am west coast time especially - the forums are largely unmoderated during that time frame)
Reconsideration of the "troll naming" rule.

[Katganistan]

Who is it? Tell us.

I don't know who Dakini has in mind, but Katganistan certainly has said as much.

What?

Bluth, you're full of it.

[Lost heros]

I'm saying it's all in the intent. If a statement is made to incite anger by being the opposition it is trolling. However, if there is no malice then there is no troll.
I don't think there should be a board wipe for held beliefs and trolling. It should be a case-by-case basis.

But your first two sentences ARE a board-wipe! So, under your paradigm, if I genuinely and truly believed that all human beings who were not eskimo's ought to be exterminated in a fiery blaze of nuclear hellfire, and I proselytized these views on the NS forums, I would receive no punishment.

My first two sentences are a board wipe for trolling. I'm saying that when there is held beliefs and trolling there shouldn't be a board wipe.
It would probably depend on how you stated it.

[Verdum]

A few suggestions I have:

A much larger Moderation team.
Retirement for a few current mods.
Better mod coverage of all timezones. (10pm to 5am west coast time especially - the forums are largely unmoderated during that time frame)
Reconsideration of the "troll naming" rule.

I'm too afraid of the NKVDMods to suggest such a thing...