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Postby Blasveck » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:35 pm

Beta Test wrote:The point is, Zeonic was deleted for his...actions. Now can we move on?


Agreed and Apologies.
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Postby Dakini » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:36 pm

Shaggai wrote:
Dakini wrote:AVFM wasn't banned because it's anti-feminist, it was banned because they encourage gathering information on women they don't like and posting it online while not-so-subtly encouraging others to take this information and harass these women. There are other websites which have been declared part of the same network of hate groups and those have not been banned.
Really?

Yeah really. I complained a while back about the status as a hate group and was greeted with reluctance to ban the website. It wasn't until Indy (iirc) pointed out that they are associated with the website Register Her.

Even though the website has been recognized by the SLPC as supporting hate speech against women (not just "feminists suck" or somesuch), that wasn't enough to get it banned. There are other websites in this network which also support fairly vile misogyny and endorsements of violence against women which you can freely post on here.

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Postby Esternial » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:36 pm

Back to topic. Some more reviews/suggestions might be nice, so this thread can actually be remotely useful.

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Postby DesAnges » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:37 pm

Esternial wrote:Back to topic. Some more reviews/suggestions might be nice, so this thread can actually be remotely useful.

It was never destined to be.
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Postby Euroslavia » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:37 pm

Divair wrote:
Euroslavia wrote:This is quite possibly one of the best posts I've seen.

You're just saying that to get the funding.

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Postby Luziyca » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:37 pm

Esternial wrote:Back to topic. Some more reviews/suggestions might be nice, so this thread can actually be remotely useful.

I got one: let's at best reduce critiques to every four to six months, shall we?
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Postby Divair » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:37 pm

Euroslavia wrote:
Divair wrote:You're just saying that to get the funding.

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Well... I do need some new earrings...

Damn lobbyists.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:38 pm

Katganistan wrote:
Seitonjin wrote:my brain broke too


I'm supposed to go to Purgatory?
What make you think I'm not already there? :lol2:


You are a teacher. We know you are one of the demons of purgatory poking people in the butt with sporks.
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Postby Franklin Delano Bluth » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:38 pm

Edlichbury wrote:
The Equal Peoples State of Steelia wrote:They do there job just not too well

But here's the thing: several posters have long suggested ways to make the job easier and the results better.
Every suggestion has been denied for various reasons.

The system doesn't work, so why does no one try to fix it?


Because most of the moderation crew isn't interested in making it work; they just want the opportunity to continue to throw their weight around and receive the praise of their little cults of sycophants.

Most of them have no desire or intent to serve the community anymore, if ever they did--they're just in it for the power trip.
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Postby DesAnges » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:38 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Esternial wrote:Back to topic. Some more reviews/suggestions might be nice, so this thread can actually be remotely useful.

I got one: let's at best reduce critiques to every four to six months, shall we?

Unless special circumstances mandate, and all critiques should be started by the mods and prefaced with an update from their end.
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Postby Edlichbury » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:38 pm

Luziyca wrote:
Esternial wrote:Back to topic. Some more reviews/suggestions might be nice, so this thread can actually be remotely useful.

I got one: let's at best reduce critiques to every four to six months, shall we?

If there is a valid critique, why should it have to wait?

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Postby Blekksprutia » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:39 pm

Gtg eat galaktobourekos TET, ciao...

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Postby The Corparation » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:39 pm

Seperates wrote:
Delmonte wrote:At some point when rules become complex enough, rulings via precedent are called for.

How would these precedents be saved?

Would they be public information or mod-access only?

If they were public information would ignorance of precedence count towards innocence?

The only way to keep up with precedents is to follow moderation, which if more people did, we wouldn't have as many of these threads.
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Postby DesAnges » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:39 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Katganistan wrote:
I'm supposed to go to Purgatory?
What make you think I'm not already there? :lol2:


You are a teacher. We know you are one of the demons of purgatory poking people in the butt with sporks.

Knorks are more fun.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:40 pm

Katganistan wrote:
Seitonjin wrote:my brain broke too


I'm supposed to go to Purgatory?
What make you think I'm not already there? :lol2:


touché
ask moderation about reading serious moderation candidates TGs without telling them about it until afterwards and/or apparently refusing to confirm/deny the exact timeline of TG reading ~~~ i hope you never sent any of the recent mods or the ones that got really close anything personal!

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Postby Esternial » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:41 pm

DesAnges wrote:
Esternial wrote:Back to topic. Some more reviews/suggestions might be nice, so this thread can actually be remotely useful.

It was never destined to be.

That's a shame.

It's always a bloody shame, isn't it?

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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:41 pm

I just read this thread and I think NSG never made me so mentally confused.

Regardless, I have to keep a keen on it, because I stopped reading the NSG Culture on the 15th page and when it turned out to be the thread of the year it was too late.
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Postby Divair » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:41 pm

Esternial wrote:
DesAnges wrote:It was never destined to be.

That's a shame.

It's always a bloody shame, isn't it?

That's basically a summary of NSG, mate.

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Postby Esternial » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:42 pm

Divair wrote:
Esternial wrote:That's a shame.

It's always a bloody shame, isn't it?

That's basically a summary of NSG, mate.

Ack, I'm never one to lose all hope, but I fear I may be coming close this time, gents.

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Postby The Corparation » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:42 pm

Esternial wrote:
DesAnges wrote:It was never destined to be.

That's a shame.

It's always a bloody shame, isn't it?

Yep. In fact its such a bloody shame that I fear we're running low on bandages and blood for blood transfusions.
I'd like to take this time to ask all of you who are able to visit your local red cross and donate blood to those in need. When you donate blood. You save lives.
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Postby Luziyca » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:42 pm

DesAnges wrote:
Luziyca wrote:I got one: let's at best reduce critiques to every four to six months, shall we?

Unless special circumstances mandate, and all critiques should be started by the mods and prefaced with an update from their end.

Obviously.

Edlichbury wrote:
Luziyca wrote:I got one: let's at best reduce critiques to every four to six months, shall we?

If there is a valid critique, why should it have to wait?

It will spare almost every single one of us from having to hear about Zeon, about how mods are so evul, biased, corrupt, for a while. It will clear our minds, and most "valid critiques" after all, tend to be short-sighted, which means it may be relevant NOW, it will likely not be relevant four to six months down the road. If we had it whenever we want to, then either the mods will be overflowed, or it'd get to such a point the mods will declare a moratorium on those threads.
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Postby Beta Test » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:42 pm

Sometimes I think a lot of you forget that forums outside NSG exist.
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Postby Divair » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:42 pm

Esternial wrote:
Divair wrote:That's basically a summary of NSG, mate.

Ack, I'm never one to lose all hope, but I fear I may be coming close this time, gents.

It's ok, I've got a reserve stockpile of tea waiting for emergencies such as this.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:43 pm

Divair wrote:
Luziyca wrote:Yeah. But we need to find ways to make a bit efficient too.

To make moderation more efficient, or feedback from us more efficient? Because I agree on both. I'm not saying our current approach to either is the best it can be. Nothing is. But if we don't all participate in these discussions, we'll never get anywhere.

The Black Forrest wrote:
And?

Either having forgotten that or missed it. What does that mean exactly? Give a link and I will have a look.

See posts on this page.


Ok. I did miss that.....
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Postby Divair » Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:43 pm

Beta Test wrote:Sometimes I think a lot of you forget that forums outside NSG exist.

If I had any experience in them, I'd comment on them.

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