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Postby Luveria » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:41 am

DrakoBlaria wrote:
DesAnges wrote:You've missed the point, Hurde. There are always ways to improve and the mods should operate along those lines. Having a lot of people dribble sycophantically over them is not going to make this a better place to be.


In my opinion the mods, no matter who you appoint as such, would act the same way. We just need to add a line bewteen what is actually baiting/offending and ruining the site and what is a joke that only offends people who think Jap as in "I like Jap Anime" is a slur against all Japanese..

It is a slur. Gay people calling other other "fags" doesn't make it any less of a slur, just as how even if black people may call each other "niggas" it doesn't change that it can be considered a slur. It's not difficult to say you like Japanese anime instead of saying "Jap" anime. It's five letters more.

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Luveria wrote:Someone's being a brown-noser. :p

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I see right through you sucking up to the mods. Tsk, tsk.

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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:42 am

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Farnhamia wrote:That depends entirely on your point of view.

Could you elaborate?

It was a jest, as in, "A nice warm shower of fig-scented dribble is relaxing."
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Postby Rabopari » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:46 am

This guy... he talks sense
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Postby Grenartia » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:47 am

DrakoBlaria wrote:
DesAnges wrote:You've missed the point, Hurde. There are always ways to improve and the mods should operate along those lines. Having a lot of people dribble sycophantically over them is not going to make this a better place to be.


In my opinion the mods, no matter who you appoint as such, would act the same way. We just need to add a line bewteen what is actually baiting/offending and ruining the site and what is a joke that only offends people who think Jap as in "I like Jap Anime" is a slur against all Japanese..


"Jap" Is a slur against all Japanese people. :palm:
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:47 am

Luveria wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:I am a man with many talents.

I see right through you sucking up to the mods. Tsk, tsk.

Well, that's not much of an achievement. My intentions were crystal clear from the very beginning.
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Postby Dakini » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:48 am

DrakoBlaria wrote:
DesAnges wrote:You've missed the point, Hurde. There are always ways to improve and the mods should operate along those lines. Having a lot of people dribble sycophantically over them is not going to make this a better place to be.


In my opinion the mods, no matter who you appoint as such, would act the same way. We just need to add a line bewteen what is actually baiting/offending and ruining the site and what is a joke that only offends people who think Jap as in "I like Jap Anime" is a slur against all Japanese..

Dude, that is a slur. You might also notice that you didn't get reported for it, but seriously, is it possible that you could stop using ethnic slurs?

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Postby DrakoBlaria » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:50 am

Grenartia wrote:
DrakoBlaria wrote:
In my opinion the mods, no matter who you appoint as such, would act the same way. We just need to add a line bewteen what is actually baiting/offending and ruining the site and what is a joke that only offends people who think Jap as in "I like Jap Anime" is a slur against all Japanese..


"Jap" Is a slur against all Japanese people. :palm:


Why? How is it insulting?
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Postby DesAnges » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:54 am

DrakoBlaria wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
"Jap" Is a slur against all Japanese people. :palm:


Why? How is it insulting?

You tell me
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:54 am

Grenartia wrote:
DrakoBlaria wrote:
In my opinion the mods, no matter who you appoint as such, would act the same way. We just need to add a line bewteen what is actually baiting/offending and ruining the site and what is a joke that only offends people who think Jap as in "I like Jap Anime" is a slur against all Japanese..


"Jap" Is a slur against all Japanese people. :palm:

Well, depends on where you are, really. Might be just me, but I've noted it used in Europe without pejorative intent, same way I hear "Negro" used without pejorative intent in some areas.

I tend to refrain from using those slang terms and others because bothering to explain the intent is too much trouble.

And in some areas, like Greece, it may just be flat out ignorance due to a lack of Japanese there.
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Postby DrakoBlaria » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:54 am

DesAnges wrote:
DrakoBlaria wrote:
Why? How is it insulting?

You tell me


So, if the post said Japanese instead of Jap would Japanese be a slur for... Japanese?
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Postby Rabopari » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:54 am

DrakoBlaria wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
"Jap" Is a slur against all Japanese people. :palm:


Why? How is it insulting?


agreed its like "Paki"
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Postby DrakoBlaria » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:55 am

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
"Jap" Is a slur against all Japanese people. :palm:

Well, depends on where you are, really. Might be just me, but I've noted it used in Europe without pejorative intent, same way I hear "Negro" used without pejorative intent in some areas.

I tend to refrain from using those slang terms and others because bothering to explain the intent is too much trouble.


I didn't know it was a slur till someone here told me.
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Postby DrakoBlaria » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:56 am

Rabopari wrote:
DrakoBlaria wrote:
Why? How is it insulting?


agreed its like "Paki"


I don't find Paki insulting either
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When Greeks stop being nationalists, they stop being Greeks
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Postby Divair » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:56 am

Yue-Laou wrote:If anything this forum is over-moderated. Mods should let much more slide.

No.

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Postby Luveria » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:56 am

DesAnges wrote:
DrakoBlaria wrote:
Why? How is it insulting?

You tell me

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Postby Rabopari » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:56 am

DrakoBlaria wrote:
Rabopari wrote:
agreed its like "Paki"


I don't find Paki insulting either


mean either unless its somebody is saying it to abuse someone
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Postby Tadmirtolia » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:56 am

If this is a game where we can make every kind of nation we want, why we cannot use swastikas? I am going to make a WA proposal about this.
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Postby DrakoBlaria » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:56 am

Divair wrote:
Yue-Laou wrote:If anything this forum is over-moderated. Mods should let much more slide.

No.


Actually, he has a point..
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:57 am

Rabopari wrote:
DrakoBlaria wrote:
Why? How is it insulting?


agreed its like "Paki"

I enjoy the use of Paki, because it's such a dumb word that people try to use to offend me.
DrakoBlaria wrote:
Rabopari wrote:
agreed its like "Paki"


I don't find Paki insulting either

Probably because Greece isn't known for a South Asian population.
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Postby DesAnges » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:57 am

DrakoBlaria wrote:
Rabopari wrote:
agreed its like "Paki"


I don't find Paki insulting either

Could that be perhaps because you're not Pakistani, Indian or Bangaldeshi?
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:57 am

DrakoBlaria wrote:
Rabopari wrote:agreed its like "Paki"

I don't find Paki insulting either

You sure are a hopeless case, aren't you?
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Postby Dakini » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:57 am

Rabopari wrote:
DrakoBlaria wrote:
Why? How is it insulting?


agreed its like "Paki"

Which is also a slur.

You're not helping.

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Postby Luveria » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:58 am

Rabopari wrote:
DrakoBlaria wrote:
Why? How is it insulting?


agreed its like "Paki"

You're right. It is just like "Paki" which is also a slur.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs#P

Paki
(United Kingdom) directed towards South Asians (and sometimes Middle Eastern people) (shortened from Pakistani).

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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:58 am

Tadmirtolia wrote:If this is a game where we can make every kind of nation we want, why we cannot use swastikas? I am going to make a WA proposal about this.

That'll go well.
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Postby Divair » Mon Sep 30, 2013 11:58 am

DrakoBlaria wrote:
Divair wrote:No.


Actually, he has a point..

No he doesn't. Anyone that claims NSG, of all places, is over-moderated either has an issue with the mods because they've been smacked by them before (indeed, that seems to be the case for almost everybody here who advocates less moderation) or they just want to see the forum turn into a chaotic pit of shit, in which case they have nothing to contribute to a discussion among members who give a damn.
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