War on Christmas

[Buffett and Colbert]

I instinctively disagree with the idea, for instance, of censoring the word 'Christmas', I find that very depressing.

They do that?

I don't mean any government forces the word to be censored, but just the whole cultural idea of 'oh you can't say merry Christmas, it's offensive', when literally around 0.00001% of the population actually finds someone saying merry Christmas to them offensive (and why I should care that these people find it offensive baffles me further).

I've yet to come across someone (or business) with that attitude, so that's why I asked...

[Maurepas]

No, George Washington I know was a Christian. Take a look at his Thanksgiving adress. He says "Almighty God" a few times in there along with other Christian refrences. No matter what college proffesor who never read any documents from the time period tells you, they were Christian. You don't have to believe in Christianity to know that.

He was a deist actually, he was part of the Freemasonry, when he references "god" he means the God of the Freemasons, which was viewed as a sort of "Architect"...

Whereas Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin and others consistently rejected the notion of an omnipotent God, and wrote books to that effect...Jefferson had one that was a rewrite of the whole bible with all divine references omitted...

[Kirav]

I instinctively disagree with the idea, for instance, of censoring the word 'Christmas', I find that very depressing.

well it is the day Jesus was crucified so its bound to be depressing in a Christian aspect

Sarcasm or satire?

Jesus's crucifixion is commemorated at Easter.

[Chetssaland]

I instinctively disagree with the idea, for instance, of censoring the word 'Christmas', I find that very depressing.

well it is the day Jesus was crucified so its bound to be depressing in a Christian aspect

No man, that's Easter. Christmas is when the "virgin" popped out her sprog.

And Easter celebrates the rising of Christ, not the death.

[Maurepas]

I instinctively disagree with the idea, for instance, of censoring the word 'Christmas', I find that very depressing.

They do that?

I don't mean any government forces the word to be censored, but just the whole cultural idea of 'oh you can't say merry Christmas, it's offensive', when literally around 0.00001% of the population actually finds someone saying merry Christmas to them offensive (and why I should care that these people find it offensive baffles me further).

I would agree with that, most people dont actually subscribe to that idea, I dont think...

The ones who do are the businesses like Walmart and other chains stores that fear about losing that 0.00001%'s almighty dollar...

[Hydesland]

I've yet to come across someone (or business) with that attitude, so that's why I asked...

It's probably not the sort of thing that happens where you live. It does happen from time to time in the UK.

[Urzamalandi]

Consumerism

ugh I'm so pissed off with this moaning I mean Jesus Christ its a festival and traditionally people give each other gifts its not some evil corporate plot anymore so than birthdays or the weekend

The assumption that you have to give gifts to a certain ammount of people in your life (which is deemed different according to each person ), is an assumption i don't like. I dont want gifts, people choose to get me gifts year on year despite my pleas against it, which means i either ;

A) have to buy something pre-emptively just incase
B) be the evil scrooge sitting in the corner who everyone else spent time buying gifts for but was too inconciderate to bother himself...

I tend to go with A.

The 25th of December is a great day to enjoy your closest family and/or friends company, the religious and consumeristic connotations shouldn't be forced on people as a prerequisite for enjoying the holiday.

[Marrovia]

Happy pointless capatalist holiday.

[Call to power]

And Easter celebrates the rising of Christ, not the death.

no your thinking of Halloween

[Chetssaland]

And Easter celebrates the rising of Christ, not the death.

no your thinking of Halloween

Oh yeah, thats right...

[Pevisopolis]

[response to OP]

Isn't it a bit early to b talking about this? I mean, at least get your ass into December before going off on Christmas.

[Chetssaland]

No, George Washington I know was a Christian. Take a look at his Thanksgiving adress. He says "Almighty God" a few times in there along with other Christian refrences. No matter what college proffesor who never read any documents from the time period tells you, they were Christian. You don't have to believe in Christianity to know that.

He was a deist actually, he was part of the Freemasonry, when he references "god" he means the God of the Freemasons, which was viewed as a sort of "Architect"...

Whereas Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin and others consistently rejected the notion of an omnipotent God, and wrote books to that effect...Jefferson had one that was a rewrite of the whole bible with all divine references omitted...

Meh, whatever. I'm not gonna change any of your guys' opinions and your not going to change mine.

I do have a question though. I'm not challenging your or anything, but where does it say they were deists? Link? Not some historian who says it, a document or proof that says so.

[Hydesland]

The ones who do are the businesses like Walmart and other chains stores that fear about losing that 0.00001%'s almighty dollar...

Actually it's not really when businesses do it, but more in the media.

[Maurepas]

[response to OP]

Isn't it a bit early to b talking about this? I mean, at least get your ass into December before going off on Christmas.

The US Christmas season starts on Black Friday, the day after Thanksgiving,

[Ifreann]

No, George Washington I know was a Christian. Take a look at his Thanksgiving adress. He says "Almighty God" a few times in there along with other Christian refrences. No matter what college proffesor who never read any documents from the time period tells you, they were Christian. You don't have to believe in Christianity to know that.

It hardly matters what the religion of the Founding Fathers was. What does matter is they believed in the principle of separating church and state. End of story. Some indisputable documents could come to light that proved that every single one of them worshipped Satan that wouldn't mean that its ok to have Satanic rituals on public property.

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I instinctively disagree with the idea, for instance, of censoring the word 'Christmas', I find that very depressing.

well it is the day Jesus was crucified so its bound to be depressing in a Christian aspect

No man, that's Easter. Christmas is when the "virgin" popped out her sprog.

How did she explain that she was pregnant to Joseph?

"God did it!"

[Call to power]

The assumption that you have to give gifts to a certain ammount of people in your life (which is deemed different according to each person ), is an assumption i don't like.

its traditionally done, you don't have to play much like you don't have to come to my Birthday party

I dont want gifts, people choose to get me gifts year on year despite my pleas against it

because they wov you dawwww

be the evil scrooge sitting in the corner who everyone else spent time buying gifts for but was too inconciderate to bother himself...

give people booze or something else you can also get fun out of (like some cheap anal lube for your sisters boyfriend)

...

er anyway like I said you do so to be polite its not consumerism its simply your British-ness

The 25th of December is a great day to enjoy your closest family and/or friends company, the religious and consumeristic connotations shouldn't be forced on people as a prerequisite for enjoying the holiday.

you ever tried to have fun without spending any money? after about 5 it sorta gets old

[Maurepas]

The ones who do are the businesses like Walmart and other chains stores that fear about losing that 0.00001%'s almighty dollar...

Actually it's not really when businesses do it, but more in the media.

I think the media probably does it for similar reasons...

A) the "debate" itself, generates alot of ratings, so if you fabricate a mass controversy about it every year, more people watch...

and B) the off chance that they'll lose the 0.00001%'s almighty Rating...

As always, its about the Money,

[Maurepas]

No, George Washington I know was a Christian. Take a look at his Thanksgiving adress. He says "Almighty God" a few times in there along with other Christian refrences. No matter what college proffesor who never read any documents from the time period tells you, they were Christian. You don't have to believe in Christianity to know that.

It hardly matters what the religion of the Founding Fathers was. What does matter is they believed in the principle of separating church and state. End of story. Some indisputable documents could come to light that proved that every single one of them worshipped Satan that wouldn't mean that its ok to have Satanic rituals on public property.

Not that Im not going to argue that when I finally find them...just need to keep looking,

[Tsa-la-gi Nation]

I instinctively disagree with the idea, for instance, of censoring the word 'Christmas', I find that very depressing.

They do that?

I don't mean any government forces the word to be censored, but just the whole cultural idea of 'oh you can't say merry Christmas, it's offensive', when literally around 0.00001% of the population actually finds someone saying merry Christmas to them offensive (and why I should care that these people find it offensive baffles me further).

I would agree with that, most people dont actually subscribe to that idea, I dont think...

The ones who do are the businesses like Walmart and other chains stores that fear about losing that 0.00001%'s almighty dollar...

I think it's more of doing what they can to avoid the frivolous law suits.

[Maurepas]

I instinctively disagree with the idea, for instance, of censoring the word 'Christmas', I find that very depressing.

They do that?

I don't mean any government forces the word to be censored, but just the whole cultural idea of 'oh you can't say merry Christmas, it's offensive', when literally around 0.00001% of the population actually finds someone saying merry Christmas to them offensive (and why I should care that these people find it offensive baffles me further).

I would agree with that, most people dont actually subscribe to that idea, I dont think...

The ones who do are the businesses like Walmart and other chains stores that fear about losing that 0.00001%'s almighty dollar...

I think it's more of doing what they can to avoid the frivolous law suits.

True, but, that too goes back to not wanting to potentially lose money...

[Maurepas]

Happy pointless capatalist holiday.

You too, mon frère,

[Chetssaland]

No, George Washington I know was a Christian. Take a look at his Thanksgiving adress. He says "Almighty God" a few times in there along with other Christian refrences. No matter what college proffesor who never read any documents from the time period tells you, they were Christian. You don't have to believe in Christianity to know that.

He was a deist actually, he was part of the Freemasonry, when he references "god" he means the God of the Freemasons, which was viewed as a sort of "Architect"...

Whereas Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin and others consistently rejected the notion of an omnipotent God, and wrote books to that effect...Jefferson had one that was a rewrite of the whole bible with all divine references omitted...

Meh, whatever. I'm not gonna change any of your guys' opinions and your not going to change mine.

I do have a question though. I'm not challenging your or anything, but where does it say they were deists? Link? Not some historian who says it, a document or proof that says so.

In case no one saw my question at the end. I believe Deism is a branch of Christianity anyways, yes?

[Warp Dwellers]

And Easter celebrates the rising of Christ, not the death.

no your thinking of Halloween

Oh yeah, thats right...

Easter is the rise of Christ, Halloween is an abducted pagan holiday that immediately preceeds All Saint's Day, which is why it's technically All Hallow's Eve. Not really relevant, but I didn't want anyone thinking Halloween and Easter were three days apart.

Back on topic: Is the War on Christmas caused by non-Christians making a stir about Christians celebrating a holiday in public, or by liberals succumbing to trolling from figureheads with persecution complexes? It's the former that's the initial catalyst, I'll grant, but people always tend to overreact.

...

Beck.

[Wilgrove]

Will we see a War on Christmas this year? We actually didn't see one last year, at least I didn't. I guess the economic turmoil got people more concern with their jobs, house, and money than whenever or not someone is saying Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas. However, with the Republican Party going further right (and into obscurity), will they raise a stink about this?

I'm surprise they aren't already bitching about The GAP new ad, which basically mentions all the winter holiday (including Solstice), but the Holiday Season has just begun, so we will see.

Of course I'll be the heathen that'll be wishing everyone a Happy Holiday!

Happy winter solstice wilgrove! I beleive its the 21st?

Yep 12/21/2009.

I've already ordered some Pagan theme decorations for my house.

[Hydesland]

I think the media probably does it for similar reasons...

A) the "debate" itself, generates alot of ratings, so if you fabricate a mass controversy about it every year, more people watch...

and B) the off chance that they'll lose the 0.00001%'s almighty Rating...

As always, its about the Money,

I don't think it's really to do with that. Or it may be for the top elite, but the people actually creating and presenting the media and influencing culture genuinely believe in what they are doing, I feel.