War on Christmas

[Liuzzo]

I see what you are saying. O.k. I guess I was wrong. Sorry, folks. But the City Council can still put up cross in front of City Hall, to commemorate Soldiers, or other noble causes. I am fairly certain that the act of me stating this will open another can of worms...
And if the Nativity scene is a donation to City Hall, and no public funds were made to buy the Nativity scene, is it still "unconstitutional" to display it?

Yes. I'd explain it to you again but I think it would be bad for the poor horse.

[WWII History Geeks]

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!

[Tunizcha]

I hate Christmas. I would gladly volunteer for the 1st Battalion heading up to the North Pole to kill those fucking elves.

[WWII History Geeks]

I hate Christmas. I would gladly volunteer for the 1st Battalion heading up to the North Pole to kill those fucking elves.

*shoots you*

Defend the goodwill!

[Tunizcha]

I hate Christmas. I would gladly volunteer for the 1st Battalion heading up to the North Pole to kill those fucking elves.

*shoots you*

Defend the goodwill!

*reflects bullet with pure hatred*

[Redwulf]

Not this shit again.

Thanks, Wilgrove. You just had to post this bullshit? Really?

You were forced to read the thread and reply to it? Really?

Well, if it were anyone but Wilgrove, I'd probably have left it alone, but Willy has a truly annoying habit of posting the glaringly obvious or topics that have been done to death.

Maybe you should start leaving his threads alone even though they're by him? The mods might decide this habit of yours is actionable harassment.

[Vanzef]

I look at Christmas as a cultural thing for me, not a religious thing. Although my sister tends to make it awkward by bringing "Jesus" into it even though she knows how strong an Atheist I am...

[The Alma Mater]

I look at Christmas as a cultural thing for me, not a religious thing. Although my sister tends to make it awkward by bringing "Jesus" into it even though she knows how strong an Atheist I am...

Simply bring Odin in then. All that pagan symbolism in Christmas is there for the taking

[Blouman Empire]

I look at Christmas as a cultural thing for me, not a religious thing. Although my sister tends to make it awkward by bringing "Jesus" into it even though she knows how strong an Atheist I am...

So what you are saying is you want your sister to celebrate it in accordance with your beliefs?

[Sarkhaan]

I'll still wish people a happy solstice or new year.

Especially if they insist that someone is trying to take the right to say Merry Christmas away from them. For some reason, these people don't like being wished a happy solstice.

Why can't you just say happy new year.
Most people don't know what 'solstice' is.
If you said that to me I would just think your a bit weird.

The solstice doesn't fall on January 1st. They would probably think he was even odder if he wished "Happy New Years" on December 21 or 22.

It's odd to say "Happy New Years" a week in advance, but not "Merry Christmas" a month early?

Oh, brave new world...


Oh, and this thread has made my eyes bleed several times.

[Allanea]

There's also the Treaty of Tripoli.

The Treaty of Tripoli was not a founding document.

[Bottle]

I love watching so many Christians perpetuate the idea that the Christmas season is all about divisiveness and antagonism.

Using public funds to display your religion's icons on public property, even when other people remark that it makes them rather uncomfortable? Why, what better way to spread the Christmas message of brotherhood and love!

Insisting, counter to historical evidence, that this country was founded on YOUR faith and not all the countless others that have contributed to America throughout the years? What better way to bring people together in the spirit of sharing and fellowship!

Whining and crying about how your religion doesn't get enough attention during a season in which it is essentially impossible to avoid Christmas iconography in any public area? What better way to embody the charity and generosity that Christ advocated!

Christmastime is basically just one big present to militant atheism, because 'tis the season for the jerkwad Christian minority to help de-convert countless people who are disgusted by the petty and selfish "War On Christmas" nonsense.

[Tekania]

There's also the Treaty of Tripoli.

The Treaty of Tripoli was not a founding document.

A treaty written and signed by many of the same people who wrote the US Constitution, and drafted by the very first set of representatives under the government established by the United States government doesn't (in your mind) give indication as to the intents and purposes of the founders?

I'm sorry, when the founders draft a treaty that says this country was not founded on the Christian religion... I tend to consider the founders far more of an expert in this matter than you....

[Allanea]

I think its a stretch to say the United States was founded as a theocratic state.

On the other hand, I think it's quite clear Christianity was a predominant cultural influence on the Founders, even on the few who were not very religious, like Jefferson.

Ripping one quote out of context doesn't change that.

[Tekania]

On the other hand, I think it's quite clear Christianity was a predominant cultural influence on the Founders.....

You mean the same Christian culture which advocated the King/Monarch as a representative of God?

They were throwing off the "Christian Culture" at the time by their very actions and existence...

[Callisdrun]

"War on Christmas" bullcrap is just whining by those who feel that theirs is the only valid spiritual worldview and should be enforced by the government.

[Allanea]

On the other hand, I think it's quite clear Christianity was a predominant cultural influence on the Founders.....

You mean the same Christian culture which advocated the King/Monarch as a representative of God?

They were throwing off the "Christian Culture" at the time by their very actions and existence...

No, Christian culture, and especially puritan Christianity, did not necessarily advocate that. I suggest you read D. S. Katz's "God's Last Words", which is an excellent work of scholarship about the evolution of Christian understanding of the Bible.

[The New Everlasting]

People can beleive what they want to believe. In the US. For now atleast.


I will be chilling with family as usual.

[Tekania]

On the other hand, I think it's quite clear Christianity was a predominant cultural influence on the Founders.....

You mean the same Christian culture which advocated the King/Monarch as a representative of God?

They were throwing off the "Christian Culture" at the time by their very actions and existence...

No, Christian culture, and especially puritan Christianity, did not necessarily advocate that. I suggest you read D. S. Katz's "God's Last Words", which is an excellent work of scholarship about the evolution of Christian understanding of the Bible.

"Puritans" made up a minority Christian sect in the Colonies... And probably the least one would want to appeal to for America's direction as a country... Deism had far more impact upon America than any other religion... While I would advocate that most Deists were fairly Christian (by my standards, and those of modern progressive Christianity)... They certainly did not represent overall Christian Culture of the time... especially as known on the Continent, and certainly not of the Theocratic Puritans...

[Big Jim P]

"War on Christmas" bullcrap is just whining by those who feel that theirs is the only valid spiritual worldview and should be enforced by the government.

And who whine about being oppressed by those of us who dare to think that other beliefs are just as legitimate as theirs while they are firmly in the majority.

[Callisdrun]

"War on Christmas" bullcrap is just whining by those who feel that theirs is the only valid spiritual worldview and should be enforced by the government.

And who whine about being oppressed by those of us who dare to think that other beliefs are just as legitimate as theirs while they are firmly in the majority.

Yes. How my heart bleeds for those poor, persecuted Christians.

[The Infernal Realm]

As an atheist and a humanist, I will be celebrating the fact that so many people in the world may celebrate what they choose to celebrate, and that we are, for now, free to continue to do so. I will also celebrate the presence of my close friends and my family, and be reminded how important they are to me; as important as the celebration itself, as described above, if not even more so.

I choose to call this celebration Xmas, but I understand there are many names for it. So, be it yule, or a winterval; christmas or the martian new year, I bid you all raise a glass to the things that unite us, rather than those that divide.

Merry Xmas.

[Allanea]

On the other hand, I think it's quite clear Christianity was a predominant cultural influence on the Founders.....

You mean the same Christian culture which advocated the King/Monarch as a representative of God?

They were throwing off the "Christian Culture" at the time by their very actions and existence...

No, Christian culture, and especially puritan Christianity, did not necessarily advocate that. I suggest you read D. S. Katz's "God's Last Words", which is an excellent work of scholarship about the evolution of Christian understanding of the Bible.

"Puritans" made up a minority Christian sect in the Colonies... 7...

A distinction without a meaning. While self-designated 'puritans' were a minority, their influence was felt throughout the different Christian sects in the North American Colonies.

[Ordo Mallus]

"War on Christmas" bullcrap is just whining by those who feel that theirs is the only valid spiritual worldview and should be enforced by the government.

its not being enforced by the governement, they are doing almost everything in their power to derail christmas. so yeah, its a war on christmas

[Ifreann]

"War on Christmas" bullcrap is just whining by those who feel that theirs is the only valid spiritual worldview and should be enforced by the government.

its not being enforced by the governement, they are doing almost everything in their power to derail christmas. so yeah, its a war on christmas

Do please present your sources for these attempts by the government to derail Christmas.