War on Christmas

[Maurepas]

Eh, my girlfriend is Buddhist. I guess I got lucky.

I need to get myself a Buddhist girlfriend.

Well, I suppose I have to work on getting a girlfriend period.

Even though I'm second sexiest of NSG's males.

Dont worry, you and me both buddy,

maybe you guys should spend a litte less time on NS, Mr. 8000 posts & 11000 posts in a year or two!

probably, but since most of it consists of being at work, Id need to spend a little less time there too, Im afraid,

Really, I need to become better able to talk to people, and find a better place to pick up on them than a Community College,

[Milks Empire]

I've converted my wife to paganism. Her family is pissed.

They'll get over it. And if they don't, fuck 'em!

Imagine being married to a Westboro Baptist woman.
*shudder*

I would pour gasoline on myself and light myself on fire before I do that.

I'd go beyond that... and do that at the Westboro Baptist Church building. +

[Denecaep]

This is very simple, I'm starting a movement here.
Everyone just say...
"Merrappy hanuchrisolstikwanzamadanoxing day!"

or if you are more of a negative person, your job is shorter.
"Merrcrappy hanuchrisocolypse!"

Problem solved...

[Tsa-la-gi Nation]

You're right it's happy winter solstice. So, I hope you have a happy winter solstice!

I knew I started something the moment I posted that

Yeah, and MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU TO!

Not with the candycane colors!.....jihad!!!
Actually, I don't think pagans are organized enough to start a jihad.

[Andertion]

You're right it's happy winter solstice. So, I hope you have a happy winter solstice!

I knew I started something the moment I posted that

Yeah, and MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU TO!

Not with the candycane colors!.....jihad!!!
Actually, I don't think pagans are organized enough to start a jihad.

Then the Christmas , not canycane, colors stay... ok, lets get back on topic...

[Liuzzo]

Just an example. How about a protestant version of it. The point is that its a religiously tolerant country.

Surely the founding of the US as a country without an established Christian church makes it a country founded on secular rather than Christian principles.

No, not really. They weren't trying to make a theocracy. At that time Christianity was a huge part of life. Almost all the founders were Christians, if not all of them. They didn't want to force their beliefs on everyone, which is obviously a good thing. If you want a little hint, just look at the whole taking an oath system. An oath, at that time at least, was a promise to God.

Try again http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html The majority of the founding fathers were Deists, believing in a creator, but had no specific religion. http://nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm and http://www.barefootsworld.net/founding.html

[Unidos]

And I'll be saying "Merry Christmas"!

I now go out of my way to say "Merry Christmas." Especially in locations that use HH instead.

Do you seriously think anyone will give a fuck?

Im willing to give fucks to most people who are interested,

It's just the sensitive 21st century kind of person you are

[Liuzzo]

I instinctively disagree with the idea, for instance, of censoring the word 'Christmas', I find that very depressing.

well it is the day Jesus was crucified so its bound to be depressing in a Christian aspect

I think you are confusing Christmas with Good Friday and Easter.

[Zeppy]

Have a happy Hanukkah.
If I not The Federal Republic of Zeppy will invade your interwebz.

[Liuzzo]

No, George Washington I know was a Christian. Take a look at his Thanksgiving adress. He says "Almighty God" a few times in there along with other Christian refrences. No matter what college proffesor who never read any documents from the time period tells you, they were Christian. You don't have to believe in Christianity to know that.

Why does saying "God" mean Christian? And what college professor are you talking about? I get it you're not for all that book learnin! Common sense tells you a professor most likely has Phd and has read all the documents and more. Any other silly ish out of you and I'll start troll sniffing.

[Samatolian City-States]

See, I don't get why everyone makes a fuss about putting a nativity scene up at town hall. This nation was founded on Christian beliefs and should stay that way. Go ahead and put up the Star of David if you'd like too. No one gets offended by a nativity scene, or at least they shouldn't. If I go to India, I'm not going to cry out in rage when I see Hinduism everywhere.

No it was not.

Yes it was.

No, it wasn't.

[Katganistan]

May I simply wish you all the happy holiday of your choice?

[Zeppy]

May I simply wish you all the happy holiday of your choice?

No, sounds to reasonable.
Next..

[Liuzzo]

No, George Washington I know was a Christian. Take a look at his Thanksgiving adress. He says "Almighty God" a few times in there along with other Christian refrences. No matter what college proffesor who never read any documents from the time period tells you, they were Christian. You don't have to believe in Christianity to know that.

He was a deist actually, he was part of the Freemasonry, when he references "god" he means the God of the Freemasons, which was viewed as a sort of "Architect"...

Whereas Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin and others consistently rejected the notion of an omnipotent God, and wrote books to that effect...Jefferson had one that was a rewrite of the whole bible with all divine references omitted...

Meh, whatever. I'm not gonna change any of your guys' opinions and your not going to change mine.

I do have a question though. I'm not challenging your or anything, but where does it say they were deists? Link? Not some historian who says it, a document or proof that says so.

In case no one saw my question at the end. I believe Deism is a branch of Christianity anyways, yes?

No

[Tsa-la-gi Nation]

May I simply wish you all the happy holiday of your choice?

Why does it have to be happy? Don't push your prefered mood on me pal!

[Liuzzo]

May I simply wish you all the happy holiday of your choice?

NO! Of course you can. Merry Holidays from this Catholic who thinks a war on Christmas would be comical if people didn't get so serious about it.

[Unidos]

[response to OP]

Isn't it a bit early to b talking about this? I mean, at least get your ass into December before going off on Christmas.

Meh, there's a radio station in Indianapolis, ( a fairly large media market) that has been playing Christmas Music 24/7 since
-Halloween-

Have your average terrorist detainee listen to -that- for a week or two nonstop. About the umpteenth time they hear 'Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer' they'll probably tell you way more than you want to know.

For the -real- hardcore types a few days of 'Barney' music ought to do the trick

[Andertion]

a war on Christmas would be comical if people didn't get so serious about it.

yes it would...

[Tekania]

There's been a war on Christmas?

[Wilgrove]

Well the War has begun. I was listening to the radio while playing Chess, and this woman (the host of the show) ranted about not being able to find a Religious Christmas Card. I tried calling in to give her a piece of my mind, but she switched subject before I could get in and they hung up on me, bastards.

[Blouman Empire]

And I'll be saying "Merry Christmas"!

I now go out of my way to say "Merry Christmas." Especially in locations that use HH instead.

Do you seriously think anyone will give a fuck?

If people are anything like the people on here they would.

Fortunately the majority of people you meet outside of NSG are nothing like some of the people you come into contact with here.

[Blouman Empire]

The War On Christmas only exists in the mind of people who get angry about it. Businesses trying to appeal to non-Christian customers is not a war on your precious* celebration of the birth of Christ**.




*highly commercialised, pagan derived, nigh secular
**That you celebrate on the wrong date

Edited.

And your point?

I celebrated my birthday not on the anniversary of my birth this year.

OH NOES THE HORROR!!!

[Blouman Empire]

I instinctively disagree with the idea, for instance, of censoring the word 'Christmas', I find that very depressing.

They do that?

A school principle a few years back did that at his school, Kris Kringle was still allowed but it had to be called something else, as well as the end of year show Christmas chorals were banned because they might offend non-Christians.

Instead what was encouraged to be sung was traditional Jewish and Islamic songs, apparently the principle didn't care if non-Jewish and non-Muslims were offended.

Atheists lost out again.

If I can find an article on it I will tell you but this was quite a few years ago.

[Blouman Empire]

No, George Washington I know was a Christian. Take a look at his Thanksgiving adress. He says "Almighty God" a few times in there along with other Christian refrences. No matter what college proffesor who never read any documents from the time period tells you, they were Christian. You don't have to believe in Christianity to know that.

It hardly matters what the religion of the Founding Fathers was. What does matter is they believed in the principle of separating church and state. End of story. Some indisputable documents could come to light that proved that every single one of them worshipped Satan that wouldn't mean that its ok to have Satanic rituals on public property.

Hmm, do public parks count as public property? Because during the warmer months, we tend to have our rituals at a public park.

Yes it is, however, I think the constitution only applies to the government doing it rather than individuals.

So while it is legal for you to have your ritual down at the park it would not be legal for the government to put a pagan display up.

[Tekania]

Well the War has begun. I was listening to the radio while playing Chess, and this woman (the host of the show) ranted about not being able to find a Religious Christmas Card. I tried calling in to give her a piece of my mind, but she switched subject before I could get in and they hung up on me, bastards.

How could she NOT find a "religious Christmas Card"?...