The T in LGBT

by **Auremena** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:05 pm

Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro wrote:
Auremena wrote:Or at least Brasil. And Thailand.
We have same-sex marriage in Argentina, Brazi, Uruguay and 3 Mexican states, and the same rights of marriage in Colombia. It doesn't make a lick of a sense that the country to elect staunchly anti-equality Tony Abbott in plenary 2013 got it first.
Actually I even doubt people really get the concept of transgender very well here. We often see signs for organizations such as LGTTTB when travestis and transsexuals are both transgender. LGBT* would make a lot more sense. If we mention "gênero queer" or "gênero não-binário" even most among the most knowledgeable among the engaged minority of LGBT people here will probably go "HUH?!". This is something I'd expect solely from sociologists and anthropologists, if much. xD

Thailand and Brasil come to mind, as, to someone not very educated about transsexuals and transgender, would say something along the lines of "all the trannies come from Bangkok and Rio"
And that's quite an unfortunate view to have.

by **Rocopurr** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:06 pm

Tyriece wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:It can be a hard question for some, and it definitely is important for others.

Why? Didn't they watch Barny as a kid? We are smashing partials and making new ones, solving century old questions about the universe and creating cures for diseases that are "in-curable" but we are still pondering over a qustion that a (normal) 6 year old could answer?

Because this is still an issue, and it will always be an issue until people can learn to treat trans* people with respect and give tem the rights they deserve.

by **Souseiseki** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:07 pm

Ylkaeenplypkhkos wrote:boo fucking who magnolia. maybe when you start learning to respect each person's dignity then maybe i will take your "struggles" seriously

"people still get abused, attacked and killed on a regular basis"
"boo fucking who"

good post bro (it's "boo hoo" btw just thought i'd let u know)

by **Ylkaeenplypkhkos** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:08 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Ylkaeenplypkhkos wrote:
boo fucking who magnolia. maybe when you start learning to respect each person's dignity then maybe i will take your "struggles" seriously

Respect is earned. Wanna know what is gonna make me lose any and all respect for a person?

Thinking that just because they like their sex kinky they're queer when nothing could be further from the truth.

then don't call it kinky sex. it's not just a fetish, it is a part of my personality.

by **Condunum** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:08 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Ylkaeenplypkhkos wrote:
boo fucking who magnolia. maybe when you start learning to respect each person's dignity then maybe i will take your "struggles" seriously

Respect is earned. Wanna know what is gonna make me lose any and all respect for a person?

Thinking that just because they like their sex kinky they're queer when nothing could be further from the truth.

A no-respect default makes for an arrogant, dickish personality.

by **Menassa** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:08 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Menassa wrote:I'll rephrase the question then:

Millions of people fought and died over gender identities?

We're one in 150. That's a lot of people, and given that the average life expectancy is 23...

I suppose it depends on your definition of fought.

The average life expectancy for a trans* person is 23?

by **Tyriece** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:09 pm

Rocopurr wrote:
Tyriece wrote:
Why? Didn't they watch Barny as a kid? We are smashing partials and making new ones, solving century old questions about the universe and creating cures for diseases that are "in-curable" but we are still pondering over a qustion that a (normal) 6 year old could answer?

Because this is still an issue, and it will always be an issue until people can learn to treat trans* people with respect and give tem the rights they deserve.

I suppose so, i am curious tho and i do not know much about this subject, but what rights do they not have?

by **Condunum** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:09 pm

Ylkaeenplypkhkos wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Respect is earned. Wanna know what is gonna make me lose any and all respect for a person?

Thinking that just because they like their sex kinky they're queer when nothing could be further from the truth.

then don't call it kinky sex. it's not just a fetish, it is a part of my personality.

I don't think you can call a fetish not part of a personality. Everyone's sexual kinks are invariably a part of who they are.

by **Freelanderness** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:09 pm

Does anyone remember the Compton riots?

by **Menassa** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:09 pm

Ylkaeenplypkhkos wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Respect is earned. Wanna know what is gonna make me lose any and all respect for a person?

Thinking that just because they like their sex kinky they're queer when nothing could be further from the truth.

then don't call it kinky sex. it's not just a fetish, it is a part of my personality.

Why should what you do privately be a part pf your personality?

by **Blasveck** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:10 pm

Menassa wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
We're one in 150. That's a lot of people, and given that the average life expectancy is 23...

I suppose it depends on your definition of fought.

The average life expectancy for a trans* person is 23?

Suicides.

by **Rocopurr** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:10 pm

Tyriece wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:Because this is still an issue, and it will always be an issue until people can learn to treat trans* people with respect and give tem the rights they deserve.

I suppose so, i am curious tho and i do not know much about this subject, but what rights do they not have?

Depends on where. It can range from not being able to be legally recognized as their gender without getting SRS to being killed for being trans*.

by **Menassa** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:11 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Menassa wrote:The average life expectancy for a trans* person is 23?

Suicides.

My goodness, that's horrible.

by **The Steel Magnolia** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:11 pm

Rocopurr wrote:
Ylkaeenplypkhkos wrote:
boo fucking who magnolia. maybe when you start learning to respect each person's dignity then maybe i will take your "struggles" seriously

I'm glad to know that you don't take violent hate crimes seriously just because Steely made a snarky comment about your fetish.

There are lots of people in the world. I can live with one less supporter.

by **Auremena** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:11 pm

Ylkaeenplypkhkos wrote:boo fucking who magnolia. maybe when you start learning to respect each person's dignity then maybe i will take your "struggles" seriously

Take it somewhere else. Not only are you off topic, but you're responding to alleged flaming with more flaming. Stop.

by **Blasveck** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:12 pm

Menassa wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
Suicides.

My goodness, that's horrible.

40 percent of transgender, or trans* individuals, I can't remember, commit suicide.

Just goes to show all the hate there can be.

by **Menassa** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:13 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Menassa wrote:My goodness, that's horrible.

40 percent of transgender, or trans* individuals, I can't remember, commit suicide.

Just goes to show all the hate there can be.

Whether what they are doing is right or wrong is regardless, that's just horrible.

by **Grenartia** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:14 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Menassa wrote:I'll rephrase the question then:

Millions of people fought and died over gender identities?

We're one in 150. That's a lot of people, and given that the average life expectancy is 23...

I suppose it depends on your definition of fought.

To say nothing of the over 40% rate of attempted suicide. Its like severe bullying on fucking steroids.

by **The Steel Magnolia** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:14 pm

Condunum wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Respect is earned. Wanna know what is gonna make me lose any and all respect for a person?

Thinking that just because they like their sex kinky they're queer when nothing could be further from the truth.

A no-respect default makes for an arrogant, dickish personality.

I'm a confrontational, persnickety bitch. I thrive on arguments and debates.

I'll be perfectly polite to people until they do something which makes me reconsider being polite to them. Respect... that's a special thing. I'll respect people's identities, people's personalities, people's achievements, their preferences. I'll respect everything immutable about them and not seek to change it. I respect people by default. They "earn" it by simply existing. Losing that respect is easy, earning it back most certainly isn't.

by **Tyriece** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:14 pm

Rocopurr wrote:
Tyriece wrote:
I suppose so, i am curious tho and i do not know much about this subject, but what rights do they not have?

Depends on where. It can range from not being able to be legally recognized as their gender without getting SRS to being killed for being trans*.

Well there is not much you can do about the last part, people are still being killed for being black, white, gay, girls, guys, christian, purple.

by **The Steel Magnolia** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:15 pm

Tyriece wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:Because this is still an issue, and it will always be an issue until people can learn to treat trans* people with respect and give tem the rights they deserve.

I suppose so, i am curious tho and i do not know much about this subject, but what rights do they not have?

The right to walk down the street in broad daylight safely is a big one. The right to have their identities respected is another.

There are lots.

by **Auremena** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:15 pm

Menassa wrote:
Blasveck wrote:40 percent of transgender, or trans* individuals, I can't remember, commit suicide.
Just goes to show all the hate there can be.
Whether what they are doing is right or wrong is regardless, that's just horrible.

It's nice to see that we have the support of at least one rather religious person. At least someone can look past the views implanted in them by a book to see that something awful is happening to people. We're all people. People don't deserve this.

by **Blasveck** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:15 pm

Menassa wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
40 percent of transgender, or trans* individuals, I can't remember, commit suicide.

Just goes to show all the hate there can be.

Whether what they are doing is right or wrong is regardless, that's just horrible.

Indeed, my friend. Indeed.

by **The Steel Magnolia** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:16 pm

Tyriece wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:Depends on where. It can range from not being able to be legally recognized as their gender without getting SRS to being killed for being trans*.

Well there is not much you can do about the last part, people are still being killed for being black, white, gay, girls, guys, christian, purple.

Ah yes, the millions of purple people murdered for being purple.

by **The Steel Magnolia** » Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:16 pm

Auremena wrote:
Menassa wrote:Whether what they are doing is right or wrong is regardless, that's just horrible.
It's nice to see that we have the support of at least one rather religious person. At least someone can look past the views implanted in them by a book to see that something awful is happening to people. We're all people. People don't deserve this.

I'm religious, and I'm trans myself. Jewish too, in fact.

My religion says nothing about judging queer people. Indeed, it celebrates them.

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