The T in LGBT

[Menassa]

Thousands of people fought and died over gender identities?

Sorry, that number was a bit low. I should have said millions.

I'll rephrase the question then:

Millions of people fought and died over gender identities?

[Grenartia]

Thousands of people fought and died over gender identities?

Sorry, that number was a bit low. I should have said millions.

But yes. Many, many, many people have fought and died because of their gender identity.

[Luveria]

That's why you have me here to make those decisions for you.

Yay, I don't have to decide for myself!

Freedom from thought is what Luveria grants.

Being a furry isn't always fetish related, but I do agree with what you're saying.

It's more an attraction than a fetish if they happen to be attracted to anthropomorphic animals, but it certainly isn't comparable to trans issues or any LGBT issues for that matter.

[Auremena]

Someone professed their love for me on tumbler? I must be linked.

Oh, I assumed you meant others don't feel good in suits. But that makes more sense than what I thought.

Nope, I was saying how I don't heel like hot stuff, and not many other people share my view of me.

Stop trying to compare your fetish to sexual orientations and gender identities then.
Thousands of us have not fought and died over the decades for the label of fetishist.

Thousands of people fought and died over gender identities?

I'd say yes.
Transgender/transsexuals tend to get a lot of shit from the religious camps, as we supposedly are "not happy with what god has given us" and that, since we are "creations of god," we shouldn't be allowed to change. And you know how things were about this, even into the past few decades.
This does not include the majority of Shiite Muslims, as, in Iran, sex reassignments are somewhat common, paid for by he government, and encouraged over homosexuality. Not necessarily a good thing, but still, it's something not seen elsewhere in the world, this degree of trans rights. Of course, rights for homosexuality have been degraded, so that's why it's not all good.

[Rocopurr]

Yay, I don't have to decide for myself!

Freedom from thought is what Luveria grants.

Being a furry isn't always fetish related, but I do agree with what you're saying.

It's more an attraction than a fetish if they happen to be attracted to anthropomorphic animals, but it certainly isn't comparable to trans issues or any LGBT issues for that matter.

What I mean is that not all furries are attracted to the characters and are into yiff. Some furries just enjoy the art or dressing up as the characters.

[Condunum]

Oh, I assumed you meant others don't feel good in suits. But that makes more sense than what I thought.


Nuh-uh, you got on this thing voluntarily by joining my church.


Yay, I don't have to decide for myself!

I didn't just join your church. I started my own goddamn Condunum worshipping church that's better than yours will ever be!

This is public acknowledgement that you worship me. I have witnesses, dammit.

[Menassa]

Sorry, that number was a bit low. I should have said millions.

But yes. Many, many, many people have fought and died because of their gender identity.

I'm not being derisive, generally curious, can you show me a few?

[Condunum]

Oh, I assumed you meant others don't feel good in suits. But that makes more sense than what I thought.

Nope, I was saying how I don't heel like hot stuff, and not many other people share my view of me.

Yeah, I can see that now.

Yay, I don't have to decide for myself!

Freedom from thought is what Luveria grants.

Oh boy, freedom from thought is my favorite freedom! That way I don't have to hurt my brain!

[Grenartia]

Oh, I assumed you meant others don't feel good in suits. But that makes more sense than what I thought.

Nope, I was saying how I don't heel like hot stuff, and not many other people share my view of me.

Thousands of people fought and died over gender identities?

I'd say yes.
Transgender/transsexuals tend to get a lot of shit from the religious camps, as we supposedly are "not happy with what god has given us" and that, since we are "creations of god," we shouldn't be allowed to change. And you know how things were about this, even into the past few decades.
This does not include the majority of Shiite Muslims, as, in Iran, sex reassignments are somewhat common, paid for by he government, and encouraged over homosexuality. Not necessarily a good thing, but still, it's something not seen elsewhere in the world, this degree of trans rights. Of course, rights for homosexuality have been degraded, so that's why it's not all good.

Even then, the conditions for trans* people in Iran aren't all that good. They don't recognize non-binary genders (then again, few, if any, other country does so, but the degree of oppression in Iran means people outside the binary are oppressed more than their counterparts in say, Canada), and you can't choose to not get SRS.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Even then, the conditions for trans* people in Iran aren't all that good. They don't recognize non-binary genders (then again, few, if any, other country does so, but the degree of oppression in Iran means people outside the binary are oppressed more than their counterparts in say, Canada), and you can't choose to not get SRS.

The first country was Australia in 2013.

Which is a shame to Latin America since the visibility of the travestis is enormous.

[Rocopurr]

I didn't just join your church. I started my own goddamn Condunum worshipping church that's better than yours will ever be!

This is public acknowledgement that you worship me. I have witnesses, dammit.

Oh hush. <//< No one besides you gives a damn. now TG me so i can worship you more

But yes. Many, many, many people have fought and died because of their gender identity.

I'm not being derisive, generally curious, can you show me a few?

Here's a list.

[Auremena]

Nope, I was saying how I don't heel like hot stuff, and not many other people share my view of me.I'd say yes.
Transgender/transsexuals tend to get a lot of shit from the religious camps, as we supposedly are "not happy with what god has given us" and that, since we are "creations of god," we shouldn't be allowed to change. And you know how things were about this, even into the past few decades.
This does not include the majority of Shiite Muslims, as, in Iran, sex reassignments are somewhat common, paid for by he government, and encouraged over homosexuality. Not necessarily a good thing, but still, it's something not seen elsewhere in the world, this degree of trans rights. Of course, rights for homosexuality have been degraded, so that's why it's not all good.

Even then, the conditions for trans* people in Iran aren't all that good. They don't recognize non-binary genders (then again, few, if any, other country does so, but the degree of oppression in Iran means people outside the binary are oppressed more than their counterparts in say, Canada), and you can't choose to not get SRS.

Either way, save for my obvious lack of religion, I'd do well in Iran, as far as that goes.

[Menassa]

I'm not being derisive, generally curious, can you show me a few?

Here's a list.

That's just horrible.

[Grenartia]

But yes. Many, many, many people have fought and died because of their gender identity.

I'm not being derisive, generally curious, can you show me a few?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_un ... der_people

An incomplete list, as many trans* people are dismissed as merely being crossdressers, and the list doesn't count people driven to suicide.

EDIT: Dammit, ninja'd.

[Auremena]

Even then, the conditions for trans* people in Iran aren't all that good. They don't recognize non-binary genders (then again, few, if any, other country does so, but the degree of oppression in Iran means people outside the binary are oppressed more than their counterparts in say, Canada), and you can't choose to not get SRS.

The first country was Australia in 2013.
Which is a shame to Latin America since the visibility of the travestis is enormous.

Or at least Brasil. And Thailand.

[Luveria]

Nope, I was saying how I don't heel like hot stuff, and not many other people share my view of me.I'd say yes.
Transgender/transsexuals tend to get a lot of shit from the religious camps, as we supposedly are "not happy with what god has given us" and that, since we are "creations of god," we shouldn't be allowed to change. And you know how things were about this, even into the past few decades.
This does not include the majority of Shiite Muslims, as, in Iran, sex reassignments are somewhat common, paid for by he government, and encouraged over homosexuality. Not necessarily a good thing, but still, it's something not seen elsewhere in the world, this degree of trans rights. Of course, rights for homosexuality have been degraded, so that's why it's not all good.

Even then, the conditions for trans* people in Iran aren't all that good. They don't recognize non-binary genders (then again, few, if any, other country does so, but the degree of oppression in Iran means people outside the binary are oppressed more than their counterparts in say, Canada), and you can't choose to not get SRS.

I would fare terribly in Iran. It's cruel forcing people to get genitalia they don't want.

It's more an attraction than a fetish if they happen to be attracted to anthropomorphic animals, but it certainly isn't comparable to trans issues or any LGBT issues for that matter.

What I mean is that not all furries are attracted to the characters and are into yiff. Some furries just enjoy the art or dressing up as the characters.

That's why it depends on the individual, but overall for being attracted to the characters, I consider it to be more of an attraction than anything else.

Freedom from thought is what Luveria grants.

Oh boy, freedom from thought is my favorite freedom! That way I don't have to hurt my brain!

I endure the pain so you don't have to.

[Tyriece]

They are people? Is this really a hard question?

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

The first country was Australia in 2013.
Which is a shame to Latin America since the visibility of the travestis is enormous.

Or at least Brasil. And Thailand.

We have same-sex marriage in Argentina, Brazi, Uruguay and 3 Mexican states, and the same rights of marriage in Colombia. It doesn't make a lick of a sense that the country to elect staunchly anti-equality Tony Abbott in plenary 2013 got it first.

Actually I even doubt people really get the concept of transgender very well here. We often see signs for organizations such as LGTTTB when travestis and transsexuals are both transgender. LGBT* would make a lot more sense. If we mention "gênero queer" or "gênero não-binário" even most among the most knowledgeable among the engaged minority of LGBT people here will probably go "HUH?!". This is something I'd expect solely from sociologists and anthropologists, if much. xD

[Rocopurr]

They are people? Is this really a hard question?

It can be a hard question for some, and it definitely is important for others.

[Grenartia]

They are people? Is this really a hard question?

Given the statistics of violence against trans* people, it appears to be as hard as calculus.

[Ylkaeenplypkhkos]

The issue, I think, is deciding what is or isn't a fetish.

I think it's fairly clear what is and isn't a fetish. Hetero/homo/bi/pan/asexual (which is really the lot of them)? Not a fetish. Being trans*/transgender/transsexual? Not a fetish. Crossdressing? Sometimes a fetish, which is why I don't consider crossdressers inherently trans, but there's a difference between crossdressing because you like the clothing and crossdressing to get off.

Dating multiple people, being polyamorous, isn't really a sexuality, but it's also not a fetish either.

Being a furry, or being into watersports or whatever the fuck the "abdl" thing is? Yeah, that's a fetish, and it's fucking insulting to have my struggles compared to straight people deciding to spice their sex life up a bit.

boo fucking who magnolia. maybe when you start learning to respect each person's dignity then maybe i will take your "struggles" seriously

[The Steel Magnolia]

Sorry, that number was a bit low. I should have said millions.

I'll rephrase the question then:

Millions of people fought and died over gender identities?

We're one in 150. That's a lot of people, and given that the average life expectancy is 23...

I suppose it depends on your definition of fought.

[The Steel Magnolia]

I think it's fairly clear what is and isn't a fetish. Hetero/homo/bi/pan/asexual (which is really the lot of them)? Not a fetish. Being trans*/transgender/transsexual? Not a fetish. Crossdressing? Sometimes a fetish, which is why I don't consider crossdressers inherently trans, but there's a difference between crossdressing because you like the clothing and crossdressing to get off.

Dating multiple people, being polyamorous, isn't really a sexuality, but it's also not a fetish either.

Being a furry, or being into watersports or whatever the fuck the "abdl" thing is? Yeah, that's a fetish, and it's fucking insulting to have my struggles compared to straight people deciding to spice their sex life up a bit.

boo fucking who magnolia. maybe when you start learning to respect each person's dignity then maybe i will take your "struggles" seriously

Respect is earned. Wanna know what is gonna make me lose any and all respect for a person?

Thinking that just because they like their sex kinky they're queer when nothing could be further from the truth.

[Rocopurr]

I think it's fairly clear what is and isn't a fetish. Hetero/homo/bi/pan/asexual (which is really the lot of them)? Not a fetish. Being trans*/transgender/transsexual? Not a fetish. Crossdressing? Sometimes a fetish, which is why I don't consider crossdressers inherently trans, but there's a difference between crossdressing because you like the clothing and crossdressing to get off.

Dating multiple people, being polyamorous, isn't really a sexuality, but it's also not a fetish either.

Being a furry, or being into watersports or whatever the fuck the "abdl" thing is? Yeah, that's a fetish, and it's fucking insulting to have my struggles compared to straight people deciding to spice their sex life up a bit.

boo fucking who magnolia. maybe when you start learning to respect each person's dignity then maybe i will take your "struggles" seriously

I'm glad to know that you don't take violent hate crimes seriously just because Steely made a snarky comment about your fetish.

[Tyriece]

They are people? Is this really a hard question?

It can be a hard question for some, and it definitely is important for others.

Why? Didn't they watch Barny as a kid? We are smashing partials and making new ones, solving century old questions about the universe and creating cures for diseases that are "in-curable" but we are still pondering over a qustion that a (normal) 6 year old could answer?