The T in LGBT

[Luveria]

*Yawn.* Well, this little girl needs her sleep, and is vaguely hoping she'll wake up as a guy.

I have to wear a suit. Ugh.

You're ftm? Never knew that, but whatever. Sleep well.

I want to wear one; why do people hate wearing them so much?

Because dresses are better.

[Grenartia]

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What happens under the table stays in Vegas... or something... somehow. Shit... that joke went tits down quickly didn't it?

Oh the entendres!

I meant gay-identified bisexual guys liking guys and pre-op transwomen.

Idk, because sometimes to gay guys and their ultra abhor of heterosexuality (sometimes women as well), it seems like they think vaginas have teeth or something, but it is actually just because they were socially influenced to think so, but it turns out their sexuality is more or less fluid as that of all of us (despite them not thinking so... and exactly why he, actually an egodystonic bisexual, would let himself go with trans women, because he thinks it won't "harm" his homosexuality).

Thats rather... disappointing. Although, to be fair, vagina-dentata is terrifying.

Everytime I see or hear that phrase, it plays in my head to the tune of "Hakuna Matata".

My brain can be a fucked up place.

Same here.

I could probably attribute it to a few things, particularly my views of infants as volatile creatures of explosive chemicals which need to be handled carefully or avoided with extreme effort. Which is a surprisingly accurate description of a baby.

I feel the same way. And every time I hold a baby or unhousebroken animal, I get this nagging feeling that its going to shit on me.

Do you feel the same way about adult children or?

Around the time the frequent vomiting, diarrhea and crying stop, toleration becomes optional. I adore primary school aged children. They're innocent and when you want to pretend you're young again, they're the best people to play with.

This. So much. I'm on the fence about parenting when/if that ever becomes an option for me. On the one hand, I don't think I could put up with having to deal with the constant shitting, pissing, crying, vomiting, etc., but on the other, once all that is over with, I think I'd enjoy it very much.

[Jormengand]

*Yawn.* Well, this little girl needs her sleep, and is vaguely hoping she'll wake up as a guy.

I have to wear a suit. Ugh.

You're ftm? Never knew that, but whatever. Sleep well.

I want to wear one; why do people hate wearing them so much?

No, no, I'm MtF, or Male cis, or something in between, depending on how badly my gender identity hates me. Because I go to a boys' school, I have to wear a suit. not perfect for a girl. (I know some girls wear them, but it feels such a male attire that... ugh.)

[Condunum]

*Yawn.* Well, this little girl needs her sleep, and is vaguely hoping she'll wake up as a guy.

I have to wear a suit. Ugh.

Hey, suits are sexy. Unless they aren't your thing, in which case aww, that sucks. *insert genuine sympathy*

Around the time the frequent vomiting, diarrhea and crying stop, toleration becomes optional. I adore primary school aged children. They're innocent and when you want to pretend you're young again, they're the best people to play with.


Even wearing a blouse got me ridicule. And that's just a backwards 'men's' shirt that's tight on the arms.

Fuck them and everyone who gives you shit for that.

thanks dear.

[Auremena]

*Yawn.* Well, this little girl needs her sleep, and is vaguely hoping she'll wake up as a guy.
I have to wear a suit. Ugh.

You're ftm? Never knew that, but whatever. Sleep well.
I want to wear one; why do people hate wearing them so much?

They're very hot and stuffy, and don't breathe well, unless you buy an expensive silk or cashmere one.

[Condunum]

You're ftm? Never knew that, but whatever. Sleep well.
I want to wear one; why do people hate wearing them so much?

They're very hot and stuffy, and don't breathe well, unless you buy an expensive silk or cashmere one.

Personally, I'm willing to risk the discomfort because I look fab in a suit.

[Jormengand]

You're ftm? Never knew that, but whatever. Sleep well.
I want to wear one; why do people hate wearing them so much?

They're very hot and stuffy, and don't breathe well, unless you buy an expensive silk or cashmere one.

Mine cost about £20 (so like, $30?) including trousers. It doesn't fit me well either. And I'm a girl part of the time, so there's that.

[Bottle]

I think you're making sense, at least I am receiving a form of sense from you and I hope it is the kind of sense you were intending to make.

I think we largely agree, in that I am not looking to abolish actual variety in human self-expression. Indeed, the whole reason I would like to get rid of binary gender is because I think we are currently suppressing a lot of our fabulous natural variety.

To use a trivial example, it's like my personal War On Pink. I loathe the pinkification I see around me, wherein anything owned by a female person MUST BE PINK. It's not that I hate pink, or that I want to abolish pink, or that I think there is something innately bad about pink. But I do believe that if the system of pinkification were dismantled, you would see a lot less pink in the world. To somebody who likes pink, there is no way around the fact that I do, in fact, want to see less pink...so it makes sense that they wouldn't really want to be my ally.

This is why I feel uncomfortable declaring myself an ally to people who actively and enthusiastically embrace the gender binary. It's not that I actually want to destroy the gender expressions we currently know of as "man" and "woman," it's that I believe there would be a fuck of a lot fewer "men" and "women" if the shitty gender system were taken apart. For people who identify as "men" or "women," I completely understand why my stance would seem like it verges on eliminationist, and I couldn't blame them for not wanting to be associated with me.

In my ideal world there would be more Trans* people living and expressing themselves freely, but not necessarily any less cis people. I don't seek to eradicate them, just to fight for the interests of my group.

Well if we're talking proportions, then an increase of one will necessarily result in a decrease of the other.

Just curious: do you identify as a radical feminist?

No, because I find that label too problematic. That is to say, I am definitely a feminist, and I also think I'm entirely radical (in every possible meaning of the term *rockout*), but "radical feminist" refers to a specific movement of which I am not a part. Radical feminism has a really unhappy relationship with transphobia that I just can't get on board with.

I may have fundamental disagreements with the trans community, but I leave it up to them to decide whether those differences mean we cannot be allies. I am not going to be the one to 'cast them out' the way I have seen self-identified radical feminists do to trans people.

[Viperco1]

I think that most transgender people are neural intersex(and have read neurology articles lend credence for that) and that sex reassignment surgery represents a better option than brain surgery or psychiatric treatment with our current level of knowledge, especially as such intervention would be an assault on their sense of self.

As for the greater cultural problems involved I think that social and gender roles represent a pervasive totalitarian construct that needs to be destroyed, people should be able to live how they wish to live without being attacked for it unless they are a threat to someone else.

I really wish this discussion was not dominated by mind/body duelist and other none physicalist philosophies, as you can't gain truth from insanity.

[Auremena]

They're very hot and stuffy, and don't breathe well, unless you buy an expensive silk or cashmere one.

Personally, I'm willing to risk the discomfort because I look fab in a suit.

I don't. I have narrow shoulders that bend forward. It's rare for me to find a shirt that is long enough in the torso without falling off my shoulders.
Basically no clothes fit me because I'm too thin to be a tall man and too tall to be a thin woman.

[Rocopurr]

You're ftm? Never knew that, but whatever. Sleep well.

I want to wear one; why do people hate wearing them so much?

Because dresses are better.

Depends on the dress. I have dresses I look good in, but I'm sure I could pull off a suit.

You're ftm? Never knew that, but whatever. Sleep well.

I want to wear one; why do people hate wearing them so much?

No, no, I'm MtF, or Male cis, or something in between, depending on how badly my gender identity hates me. Because I go to a boys' school, I have to wear a suit. not perfect for a girl. (I know some girls wear them, but it feels such a male attire that... ugh.)

Sorry about that.

You're ftm? Never knew that, but whatever. Sleep well.
I want to wear one; why do people hate wearing them so much?

They're very hot and stuffy, and don't breathe well, unless you buy an expensive silk or cashmere one.

I always hear that, but it doesn't sound too bad.

[Luveria]

I think that most transgender people are neural intersex(and have read neurology articles lend credence for that) and that sex reassignment surgery represents a better option than brain surgery or psychiatric treatment with our current level of knowledge, especially as such intervention would be an assault on their sense of self.

As for the greater cultural problems involved I think that social and gender roles represent a pervasive totalitarian construct that needs to be destroyed, people should be able to live how they wish to live without being attacked for it unless they are a threat to someone else.

I really wish this discussion was not dominated by mind/body duelist and other none physicalist philosophies, as you can't gain truth from insanity.

If brain surgery or psychiatric treatment was ever somehow an option, I wouldn't want that. I like being the gender I am.

Because dresses are better.

Depends on the dress. I have dresses I look good in, but I'm sure I could pull off a suit.

Gothic Lolita dresses.

[Condunum]

Personally, I'm willing to risk the discomfort because I look fab in a suit.

I don't. I have narrow shoulders that bend forward. It's rare for me to find a shirt that is long enough in the torso without falling off my shoulders.
Basically no clothes fit me because I'm too thin to be a tall man and too tall to be a thin woman.

I suffer some issues much the same which make me need to get tailored suits, but hot damn when I put one on, even I want a piece of me

[Grenartia]

Because dresses are better.

Depends on the dress. I have dresses I look good in, but I'm sure I could pull off a suit.

No, no, I'm MtF, or Male cis, or something in between, depending on how badly my gender identity hates me. Because I go to a boys' school, I have to wear a suit. not perfect for a girl. (I know some girls wear them, but it feels such a male attire that... ugh.)

Sorry about that.

They're very hot and stuffy, and don't breathe well, unless you buy an expensive silk or cashmere one.

I always hear that, but it doesn't sound too bad.

I wore a tux once, it wasn't too bad.

[Viperco1]

I of course assumed that transgender people want the dysphoria to be corrected.

[Auremena]

They're very hot and stuffy, and don't breathe well, unless you buy an expensive silk or cashmere one.

Mine cost about £20 (so like, $30?) including trousers. It doesn't fit me well either. And I'm a girl part of the time, so there's that.

I can't be. I'm too afraid to buy women's clothes for myself and my mother is far too short for me to use hers. I'm over 1000 miles away now anyways.

[Rocopurr]

I think that most transgender people are neural intersex(and have read neurology articles lend credence for that) and that sex reassignment surgery represents a better option than brain surgery or psychiatric treatment with our current level of knowledge, especially as such intervention would be an assault on their sense of self.

As for the greater cultural problems involved I think that social and gender roles represent a pervasive totalitarian construct that needs to be destroyed, people should be able to live how they wish to live without being attacked for it unless they are a threat to someone else.

I really wish this discussion was not dominated by mind/body duelist and other none physicalist philosophies, as you can't gain truth from insanity.

If brain surgery or psychiatric treatment was ever somehow an option, I wouldn't want that. I like being the gender I am.

Depends on the dress. I have dresses I look good in, but I'm sure I could pull off a suit.

Gothic Lolita dresses.

If I had the money and body I would so get one.

I don't. I have narrow shoulders that bend forward. It's rare for me to find a shirt that is long enough in the torso without falling off my shoulders.
Basically no clothes fit me because I'm too thin to be a tall man and too tall to be a thin woman.

I suffer some issues much the same which make me need to get tailored suits, but hot damn when I put one on, even I want a piece of me :P

This is a new level of egotistical ness for you. :/

[Jormengand]

Sorry about that.

Don't be. Just didn't want you to think the wrong thing.

Gothic Lolita dresses.

I want one. More because it would mean I actually owned an article of women's clothing, but...

Mine cost about £20 (so like, $30?) including trousers. It doesn't fit me well either. And I'm a girl part of the time, so there's that.

I can't be. I'm too afraid to buy women's clothes for myself and my mother is far too short for me to use hers. I'm over 1000 miles away now anyways.

By "I'm a girl" I mean "I'm a girl" not "I'm wearing girl's clothes." Because I've only done that once or twice.


Anyway, actually going to bed now. Night night.

[Auremena]

I don't. I have narrow shoulders that bend forward. It's rare for me to find a shirt that is long enough in the torso without falling off my shoulders.
Basically no clothes fit me because I'm too thin to be a tall man and too tall to be a thin woman.

I suffer some issues much the same which make me need to get tailored suits, but hot damn when I put one on, even I want a piece of me

I never feel that way. I doubt anyone else does either.

[Rocopurr]

I suffer some issues much the same which make me need to get tailored suits, but hot damn when I put one on, even I want a piece of me :P

I never feel that way. I doubt anyone else does either.

You're pretty attractive, and I imagine you'd look even better once you begin to transition. :3

[Bottle]

I use LGBT as habit, but I include asexuals, queers, and intersex people even if it isn't in the acronym.

Same here. There's no reason for them to be included.

Personally, I only use LGBT because it seems to roll of the tongue for me. I certainly don't mean to ignore the other parts, it's just the well known name.

My mother always says "GBLT" and I tell her to knock it off because it sounds like a sandwich and then I'm hungry.

[Auremena]

I never feel that way. I doubt anyone else does either.

You're pretty attractive, and I imagine you'd look even better once you begin to transition. :3

I somehow doubt that. I only feel sexy at times, and it's rare. Like when I used my foot to turn off the water in the bath once.
If I decide to. I'm not sure what gender I really am. I know that I'm more sexually attracted to men, but slightly more romantically attracted to women. I dunno why that is. Of course, that's little to do with choosing to become trans or not.

[Auremena]

I think that most transgender people are neural intersex(and have read neurology articles lend credence for that) and that sex reassignment surgery represents a better option than brain surgery or psychiatric treatment with our current level of knowledge, especially as such intervention would be an assault on their sense of self.
As for the greater cultural problems involved I think that social and gender roles represent a pervasive totalitarian construct that needs to be destroyed, people should be able to live how they wish to live without being attacked for it unless they are a threat to someone else.
I really wish this discussion was not dominated by mind/body duelist and other none physicalist philosophies, as you can't gain truth from insanity.

If brain surgery or psychiatric treatment was ever somehow an option, I wouldn't want that. I like being the gender I am.

I was afraid to tell my parents about my gender issues because I knew they'd have me do something like this.

[Benuty]

Ohhh I get it now. You're not here to debate anything. You're here to give us sermons.


Do you just like repeating things without backing up your claims? Oh, right, you can't provide sources for your silly claims.


Says you.

I am not here to give you sermons.

It is basically common sense that Christianity is against LGBT and so is the military (1). You do not need a source for that.

Please define 'normal' for me.

Well, God did supposedly flood the whole earth in Noah's Arc. Why wouldn't he cause 9/11?

How would you know what a god would want? You've never met any god.

So, you are saying that 9/11 was an act of god, not of the Al Qaeda. Whatever we did, we could never prevent it from happening. Noah's Arc is a mythological story, it's not true.

Answer this question. Are you the representative of all Christians on Earth?

No, I am not. However, I can claim that Christianity and other major religions are against LGBT(2).

1) I just did. And he clearly doesn't mind, or he'd strike me down.
2) You... have know idea what a transgendered person is, do you? It's got nothing to do with hermaphrodites.

And on top of that, yes, he did create hermaphrodites. Just like he created transgendered people.

1) Well then, you must be ready to bear God's anger. He won't strike you down - that would be against the laws he created (he created science, you receiving a thunder bolt while sitting inside your house is purely whimsical). Perhaps your day will not go so great. I had a friend who used to say "OMFG" instead of "OMG" where F stands for an understandable expletive. It was really bad of her to prefix such a term in front of a holy word like God. Today, she leads a really miserable life. She has turned almost a skeleton, her life is in chaos, she cries day and night.(3)

And what about other animals? Or other materials?

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What if God starts making putty ducks and duck putty?

That would be against the laws he created.

1) No it is not.
2) No they aren't.
3) Irrelevant.

[Rocopurr]

You're pretty attractive, and I imagine you'd look even better once you begin to transition. :3

I somehow doubt that. I only feel sexy at times, and it's rare. Like when I used my foot to turn off the water in the bath once.
If I decide to. I'm not sure what gender I really am. I know that I'm more sexually attracted to men, but slightly more romantically attracted to women. I dunno why that is. Of course, that's little to do with choosing to become trans or not.

Doubt it all you want, but I refuse to deny that you're attractive.