The T in LGBT

[Knowlandia]

It's pretty gross and weird but it's none of my business what you call yourself or dress as.

[Luveria]

Ok, it's confirmed in both of you that LGB and T issues aren't the same(by my reading the past several pages again), but working together helps? If this line works for y'all, please take a breather before posting at each other again, ok?

That is the point I've been arguing for the last three pages, yet. What I'm interested in is this "No point in differentiating" crap.

the LGBT movement

Now you're just taking the fucking piss.

And no, I am not discriminating. How fucking dare you. Least of all would I discriminate against myself.

Don't you identify with the LGB part?

[Luveria]

It's pretty gross and weird but it's none of my business what you call yourself or dress as.

There's nothing gross about it.

[Ylkaeenplypkhkos]

you people saying fetish fetish fetish. they arn't exclusive. often times people who have a fetish their fetish is their primary sexual attraction.

It's very possible for a fetish to be a primary sexual attraction, but a fetish is a fetish and not a sexual orientation. Sexual orientation is attraction to a specific gender or genders, while a fetish is an attraction to a specific object or body part or such thing, or a certain sexual act.

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you people saying fetish fetish fetish. they arn't exclusive. often times people who have a fetish their fetish is their primary sexual attraction.

...and? We care... why, precisely?

I am Telling you and luveria coming from my viewpoint as a fetishist is that they are not exclusive and the fetish often relies very much on romantic(part of the lovemap)

[Condunum]

No one said bigots don't exist within the movement. There's a lot of hate for bisexuals, too, because they aren't "truely" oppressed or something.

Although, to your first point, that's good for you. However, people who identify with alternative genders are, unfortunately, required to use one of the choices legally recognized.


I recognize with full clarity that this argument is an exercise in futility. It's two very similar opinions bickering over things we agree on 90% of the way, and then language gets in the way.

I still maintain that he's a big stinky poopyhead and I'm never gonna play on the jungle gym with him again!

Lucky for me, yes. And it's a shame that so much more needs to be done for genderqueer people.

Play nice, children.

You are both seeing each others' points in your own way, mostly agreeing with each other in your arguments. Basically, arguing the same point.

Ok, it's confirmed in both of you that LGB and T issues aren't the same(by my reading the past several pages again), but working together helps? If this line works for y'all, please take a breather before posting at each other again, ok?

But someone is wrong on the INTERNET!

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Then they aren't gay if they are attracted to transwomen too.

I don't know of any gay men who who are attracted to transgender women, as that's kind of opposite of what being gay is about. If anything I've been experienced hostility from gays because they will go on rants about how much they hate femininity and want nothing to do with it. I have no interest in gays, because I'm female, so don't you see how illogical it would be for me to be involved with gays?

Some bi and straight transwomen wouldn't care about this bullshit.

Especially if they are both drunk. If some gay guys end up sleeping with their cis female friends... XD

[Knowlandia]

It's pretty gross and weird but it's none of my business what you call yourself or dress as.

There's nothing gross about it.

grossness is subjective, and I believe OP asked for our opinions.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

In Brazil people bashed emos a lot for behaviors like this.

Emo... haven't heard that term in a decade.

It was most significant here between 2007 and 2011.

[Lynnakrynn]

But someone is wrong on the INTERNET!

Minus five points to you for reference without linking to the comic. These quotes are so much better when you link to XKCD.

[Auremena]

the group

Why are you still talking about the group?
I have made it clear, 100% crystal clear that I am not talking about LGBT as a group of people who act together in the interests of equality. I am talking about the issues associated with LGB and with T, and how they are different. If you are talking about something else from what I established several pages ago I was talking about, that is the only source of the confusion here.

I understand both your point and the opposition; strand* covers transgender and transsexuals, which is more of a gender expression issue than a sexuality issue, like the LGB part. However, it also raises the question of where transpeople fit in accordance to sexuality, to assign based on sex, or gender. For example, if a transwoman is attracted to men, she could be considered either heterosexual, in accordance with her gender, or homosexual, in accordance with her sex. Either definition could work, as sexuality refers to your sex and the sex you are attracted to (don't bring up a contradiction on this, it has sex in the word. Gender preference is the relative term for gender) but at the same time, often transeople wish they were born as and wish to match their gender and sex.

[Nation of Fortune]

It's pretty gross and weird but it's none of my business what you call yourself or dress as.

Please explain to me exactly what is gross about it.

[Condunum]

But someone is wrong on the INTERNET!

Minus five points to you for reference without linking to the comic. These quotes are so much better when you link to XKCD.

At least you know the reference

[Distruzio]

There's nothing gross about it.

grossness is subjective, and I believe OP asked for our opinions.

Indeed. The OP did. Thanks for that.

[Jormengand]

Why are you still talking about the group?

I have made it clear, 100% crystal clear that I am not talking about LGBT as a group of people who act together in the interests of equality. I am talking about the issues associated with LGB and with T, and how they are different. If you are talking about something else from what I established several pages ago I was talking about, that is the only source of the confusion here.

If you're going to criticize my posts, you don't get to dictate what they're talking about. I am talking LGBT as a group. If you want to talk about my posts, you have to keep that in mind.

I am not. If you want to criticise me, or say that I'm trying to "Kick people out of the movement" you should bear that in mind.

I mean, it's not like I already made it clear or anything...

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Not clear at all...

Don't you identify with the LGB part?

That doesn't stop me identifying with the T part, does it? Or are they too much of the same issue to count, huh?

[Luveria]

It's very possible for a fetish to be a primary sexual attraction, but a fetish is a fetish and not a sexual orientation. Sexual orientation is attraction to a specific gender or genders, while a fetish is an attraction to a specific object or body part or such thing, or a certain sexual act.

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...and? We care... why, precisely?

I am Telling you and luveria coming from my viewpoint as a fetishist is that they are not exclusive and the fetish often relies very much on romantic(part of the lovemap)

What kind of fetishist do you identify as?

[Condunum]

If you're going to criticize my posts, you don't get to dictate what they're talking about. I am talking LGBT as a group. If you want to talk about my posts, you have to keep that in mind.

I am not. If you want to criticise me, or say that I'm trying to "Kick people out of the movement" you should bear that in mind.

I mean, it's not like I already made it clear or anything...

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Not clear at all...

Don't you identify with the LGB part?

That doesn't stop me identifying with the T part, does it? Or are they too much of the same issue to count, huh?

Why are you still talking about the group?

I have made it clear, 100% crystal clear that I am not talking about LGBT as a group of people who act together in the interests of equality. I am talking about the issues associated with LGB and with T, and how they are different. If you are talking about something else from what I established several pages ago I was talking about, that is the only source of the confusion here.

If you're going to criticize my posts, you don't get to dictate what they're talking about. I am talking LGBT as a group. If you want to talk about my posts, you have to keep that in mind. Hell, I already agreed with you that the two are different issues, but connected. You just seem to ignore that so you can pretend I'm still disagreeing with you.

[Luveria]

If you're going to criticize my posts, you don't get to dictate what they're talking about. I am talking LGBT as a group. If you want to talk about my posts, you have to keep that in mind.

I am not. If you want to criticise me, or say that I'm trying to "Kick people out of the movement" you should bear that in mind.

I mean, it's not like I already made it clear or anything...

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Not clear at all...

Don't you identify with the LGB part?

That doesn't stop me identifying with the T part, does it? Or are they too much of the same issue to count, huh?

No, it doesn't stop you, because everyone involved should identify with the LGBT part while realizing those are all different issues.

[Jormengand]

No, it doesn't stop you, because everyone involved should identify with the LGBT while realizing those are all different issues.

Woo.

Hell, I already agreed with you that the two are different issues, but connected. You just seem to ignore that so you can pretend I'm still disagreeing with you.

The reason I was arguing was because I thought you were saying that the issues were so close there was no point differentiating between the issues, because I had mentioned in seven different posts that I was talking about the issues, and assumed you were. In fact, you were saying that there was no point making them different groups.

I'm sorry. I'm tired. I'm more than a little angry. But I'm sorry. I misunderstood what you said. Whose fault that was I refuse to argue about.

Right, now that's over. Trans party!

[Condunum]

No, it doesn't stop you, because everyone involved should identify with the LGBT while realizing those are all different issues.

Woo.

Hell, I already agreed with you that the two are different issues, but connected. You just seem to ignore that so you can pretend I'm still disagreeing with you.

The reason I was arguing was because I thought you were saying that the issues were so close there was no point differentiating between the issues, because I had mentioned in seven different posts that I was talking about the issues, and assumed you were. In fact, you were saying that there was no point making them different groups.

I'm sorry. I'm tired. I'm more than a little angry. But I'm sorry. I misunderstood what you said. Whose fault that was I refuse to argue about.

Right, now that's over. Trans party!

Likewise, I'm sorry for getting so uppity with you, and mistaking your posts for talking about the group, and not the issues.

Indeed, trans party! Or sleep, because you said you're tired...

[Ylkaeenplypkhkos]

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I am Telling you and luveria coming from my viewpoint as a fetishist is that they are not exclusive and the fetish often relies very much on romantic(part of the lovemap)

What kind of fetishist do you identify as?

i am a diaper lover but i lean more towards adult baby.

[Jormengand]

Indeed, trans party! Or sleep, because you said you're tired...

Can we not combine the two?

[Condunum]

What kind of fetishist do you identify as?

i am a diaper lover but i lean more towards adult baby.

I have nothing against adult babies, but they make me very uncomfortable... More power to you, though.

[Condunum]

Indeed, trans party! Or sleep, because you said you're tired...

Can we not combine the two?

Now see, there's that kind of sleep, and then there's sleep...

[Distruzio]

i am a diaper lover but i lean more towards adult baby.

I have nothing against adult babies, but they make me very uncomfortable... More power to you, though.

Same here.

[Condunum]

I have nothing against adult babies, but they make me very uncomfortable... More power to you, though.

Same here.

I could probably attribute it to a few things, particularly my views of infants as volatile creatures of explosive chemicals which need to be handled carefully or avoided with extreme effort. Which is a surprisingly accurate description of a baby.