Christian Group: Teaching science violates religious freedom

[Neo Rome Republic]

“The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.”

― Neil deGrasse Tyson

no totally true

Ideas with evidence vs. Idea with none. The former is right by default.

[Ayreonia]

Wow. I'm clad our christians aren't this type.

Our Christians are Minister Räsänen and her ilk.

"If the law and God's will conflict, break the law."

[Grenartia]

It's not called the theory of evolution.
There's evolution, and there's the (scientific) theory of evolution by natural selection.

Evolution is still a bunch of BS

No, the idea that evolution is a bunch of BS is itself a load of bullshit. Its been effectively proven.

[Starkiller101]

no totally true

How so?

Because nothing could never 100% true there's lies in everything if there a lie in science then none of its true and i don't care of that makes sense or not

[New Libertarian States]

God obviously loves global warming.

God is clearly making Kentucky Fried people with global warming
*nods*

[Jetan]

no totally true

*cough*Not the topic at hand *cough*

Actually, it kinda is. The group in the news article is trying to dispute the fact that evolution is true, so this isn't too far off.

[Assassins-]

AGH! NOT ALL OF US ARE LIKE THAT!

98% of us are not like that. The 2% that are are just louder.

[Mewtinigrad]

As a former resident of Kansas I say:

It's called the THEORY of Evolution for a REASON.

Anyways, global warming has NOTHING to do with this.

Time to learn your definitions.

"Fact: In science, an observation that has been repeatedly confirmed and for all practical purposes is accepted as "true." Truth in science, however, is never final, and what is accepted as a fact today may be modified or even discarded tomorrow.

Hypothesis: A tentative statement about the natural world leading to deductions that can be tested. If the deductions are verified, it becomes more probable that the hypothesis is correct. If the deductions are incorrect, the original hypothesis can be abandoned or modified. Hypotheses can be used to build more complex inferences and explanations.

Law: A descriptive generalization about how some aspect of the natural world behaves under stated circumstances.

Theory: In science, a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses.

The contention that evolution should be taught as a "theory, not as a fact" confuses the common use of these words with the scientific use. In science, theories do not turn into facts through the accumulation of evidence. Rather, theories are the end points of science. They are understandings that develop from extensive observation, experimentation, and creative reflection. They incorporate a large body of scientific facts, laws, tested hypotheses, and logical inferences. In this sense, evolution is one of the strongest and most useful scientific theories we have."

THIS.

Please sir, take a complimentary internet medal.

“The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.”

― Neil deGrasse Tyson

no totally true

[Jetan]

Wow. I'm clad our christians aren't this type.

Our Christians are Minister Räsänen and her ilk.

"If the law and God's will conflict, break the law."

Räsänen is a whole category of her own.

[Neo Rome Republic]

How so?

Because nothing could never 100% true there's lies in everything if there a lie in science then none of its true

So what? We believe that which has the most evidence, until something else proves it wrong. The idea with evidence is truth by default, unless new counter-evidence proves it wrong. That's how we can ever advance if we never relied on the best information, simply because it wasn't perfect, we'd still be stuck in the stone ages.

[New Libertarian States]

How so?

Because nothing could never 100% true there's lies in everything if there a lie in science then none of its true

So if Stephen Hawkings were to say
"2+2=potato", all of his work would be invalidated?
Well, good to know.

[Ayreonia]

God obviously loves global warming.

God is clearly making Kentucky Fried people with global warming
*nods*

So we're all just a big celestial barbecue?

I knew there was a catch to all this "I created you just out of kindness." I just knew it.

Damn that cunning bastard.

[Grenartia]

How so?

Because nothing could never 100% true there's lies in everything if there a lie in science then none of its true and i don't care of that makes sense or not

If you realize it doesn't make sense, then why did you fucking say it? If you don't care that it doesn't, why are you even debating?

[Nervium]

How so?

Because nothing could never 100% true there's lies in everything if there a lie in science then none of its true

By that logic the entire Bible is untrue, now I may offend someone now, so don't click the spoiler if you'd think it's about you.

The Exodus: Never happened, there's no evidence to support it, therefor it's a lie, the entire Bible is false.

[Tlaceceyaya]

How so?

Because nothing could never 100% true there's lies in everything if there a lie in science then none of its true and i don't care of that makes sense or not

You seem to not have any idea what science is.

[New Libertarian States]

*cough*Not the topic at hand *cough*

Actually, it kinda is. The group in the news article is trying to dispute the fact that evolution is true, so this isn't too far off.

Yeah, I guess so.

[Distruzio]

Nutbags be baggin nuts, i tell you.

[Natair]

Because nothing could never 100% true there's lies in everything if there a lie in science then none of its true

So if Stephen Hawkings were to say
"2+2=potato", all of his work would be invalidated?
Well, good to know.

Knowing him he'd find a way to make that true.

[Mewtinigrad]

How so?

Because nothing could never 100% true there's lies in everything if there a lie in science then none of its true and i don't care of that makes sense or not

[Starkiller101]

Because nothing could never 100% true there's lies in everything if there a lie in science then none of its true and i don't care of that makes sense or not

If you realize it doesn't make sense, then why did you fucking say it? If you don't care that it doesn't, why are you even debating?

Im just love seeing yah get so mad at everything it kind of funny

[Bratislavskaya]

I am a christian but these guys take it too far. I am not all creationist I believe in evolution and that Genesis one is a metaphor for evolution but that's not the point, its not about a persons specific beliefs they can believe in creationism if they want but its about knowing the current scientific theory. People are educated about the current scientific theory (in science lessons) not what they believe. I'm glad we don't have this BS over here in the UK.

[Mapleleafia]

I know not all you guys are like this but it's moments like these I'm happy I'm not Christian.

It's moments like these that I'm disappointed in humanity for still believing and essentially enforcing the idea of a deity in schools.

same. I mean I'm Wiccan but I believe that should be left out of the context of schooling. Or at least- government schooling. their parents and other people should be responsible for educational things religion wise.

[New Libertarian States]

So if Stephen Hawkings were to say
"2+2=potato", all of his work would be invalidated?
Well, good to know.

Knowing him he'd find a way to make that true.

The potatoes are virtual particles
*nods*

[Sau Beiu]

As a former resident of Kansas I say:

It's called the THEORY of Evolution for a REASON.

Anyways, global warming has NOTHING to do with this.

To that may I say,

In technical or scientific use, Theory, principle, and law represent established, evidence-based explanations accounting for currently known facts or phenomena or for historically verified experience: the theory of relativity, the germ theory of disease, the law of supply and demand, the principle of conservation of energy. Often the word law is used in reference to scientific facts that can be reduced to a mathematical formula: Newton's laws of motion. In these contexts the terms theory and law often appear in well-established, fixed phrases and are not interchangeable. In both technical and nontechnical contexts, theory can also be synonymous with hypothesis, a conjecture put forth as a possible explanation of phenomena or relations, serving as a basis for thoughtful discussion and subsequent collection of data or engagement in scientific experimentation in order to rule out alternative explanations and reach the truth. In these contexts of early speculation, the words theory and hypothesis are often substitutable for one another: Remember, this idea is only a theory/hypothesis; Pasteur's experiments helped prove the theory/hypothesis that germs cause disease. Obviously, certain theories that start out as hypothetical eventually receive enough supportive data and scientific findings to become established, verified explanations. Although they retain the term theory in their names, they have evolved from mere conjecture to scientifically accepted fact.

[Grosse Deutscheland]

I'm a Christian. How exactly is teaching evolution wrong? It's a proven fact, we cannot deny. I believe evolution was created by God. On the other hand, Global Warming is a myth and should not be taught, the earth getting warmer is simply a cycle, soon it shall start dropping in temperature and people will freak out about that...